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Objective: to verbally explain how to create an artificial human. One way to do this is to show all the connections in the human mind and how they work. What is one connection to start. Your physical senses you have physical sense. You have mental senses. But everything begins with a type of physical sense/sensation. So what are all the physical sensations. There are the 5 senses taste, touch, sight, sound and smell. When you walk into a room you experience all of those senses. What if you think about something, that is just thinking about a physical sensation, anything you can think about is really just a physical sensation. Everything is neurological. Including logical thinking structures, which relate in the end to physical sensations as well. Now we need to verbally explain how the human mind works. So when you see things, you get sensations. You get sensations and you get thoughts. Those sensations and thoughts cause feelings. That’s it. Why do you get those sensations and thoughts and feelings? Well a physical sensation is just neurological stimulation from a sense. If you touch something neurological signals are sent to your brain that you are having feeling at that touch, that is a feeling, just touching something causes a feeling. Similarly smelling something causes another feeling. As with the other senses. Thoughts can also cause feelings, you can think about something happy or something sad. Why would one thing cause happiness? Some things stimulate your neurons while other things don’t stimulate them, so happiness would be the neurological stimulation. “meaning” is just neurological stimulation. How do some things stimulate your neurons and make you happy while others don’t? A girl might have a pretty face that when you look at makes you happy. So visually you get pleased. When you think of the girl, you would get happy, and the reason would be it stimulates your visual center of the brain. Why do pretty things stimulate the visual center of your brain? Because they are easier to think about. Why are they easier to think about? Because they stimulate your neurons. Why do ugly things not stimulate your neurons? I think because something pretty puts you in a good mood. Why would something like a pretty lake calm someone down? Its obvious why seeing violence would not calm someone down, cause it causes you to think about violence which is threatening to that person, causing them to shut down with worry. In that case the visual leads to thought. Maybe something like water or a large landscape leads to no thought cause there is nothing to do in those environments, cause they are so peaceful and have nothing in them. And something pretty has fun things to do in it and fun things to feel, like feelings jagged edges wouldn’t be fun, but feeling smooth ones would be fun cause it doesn’t disrupt your senses. So smooth things are prettier and jagged things are usually uglier. So the entire visual sensation isn’t really a sensation, it just causes you to think about more real sensations like touch and touching things. Something jagged feels bad when you touch it so its ugly. Why else would you take pleasure from seeing something? Seriously… The pleasure has to derive from somewhere real. Smell is just stimulating different neurons in your brain. Same with taste. How would I verbally describe smell/taste? Maybe that’s wrong and feeling is just what the physical object causes you to think about. Like if you had a mechanic arm it would feel… mechanical. When you have a human arm is feels real and mushy, which is what the arm causes you to think about, mushy stuff like blood and muscles interacting. And if you get shot you think about things getting destroyed, so you feel pain. So if you had a mechanical arm it would feel exactly like that, a mechanical arm, you’d feel like a robot. So we can give our robot a mechanical body and he’d feel it just by thinking about it. And a visual processor to process the lines and smoothness and patterns he sees. Then when sees a pattern that is harmonious, he will think of harmony and that will make him happy. We can tell him what to do “get up and walk around”. How would he understand that. He can learn from his visual processor, getting up would just be his observation of other things and objects getting up, when he sees a human get up they move their legs and torso in a certain way, etc. So he just copies that with his body. Simple. So just give him lots of visual data to process. With descriptions of what everything that is going on is. Then when he hears someone say that, he will understand and respond.

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Objective: to verbally explain how to create an artificial human.

One way to do this is to show all the connections in the human mind and how they work.

What is one connection to start. Your physical senses you have physical sense. You have mental senses. But everything begins with a type of physical sense/sensation. So what are all the physical sensations. There are the 5 senses taste, touch, sight, sound and smell. When you walk into a room you experience all of those senses. What if you think about something, that is just thinking about a physical sensation, anything you can think about is really just a physical sensation. Everything is neurological. Including logical thinking structures, which relate in the end to physical sensations as well. Now we need to verbally explain how the human mind works. So when you see things, you get sensations. You get sensations and you get thoughts. Those sensations and thoughts cause feelings. That’s it. Why do you get those sensations and thoughts and feelings? Well a physical sensation is just neurological stimulation from a sense. If you touch something neurological signals are sent to your brain that you are having feeling at that touch, that is a feeling, just touching something causes a feeling. Similarly smelling something causes another feeling. As with the other senses. Thoughts can also cause feelings, you can think about something happy or something sad. Why would one thing cause happiness? Some things stimulate your neurons while other things don’t stimulate them, so happiness would be the neurological stimulation. “meaning” is just neurological stimulation. How do some things stimulate your neurons and make you happy while others don’t? A girl might have a pretty face that when you look at makes you happy. So visually you get pleased. When you think of the girl, you would get happy, and the reason would be it stimulates your visual center of the brain. Why do pretty things stimulate the visual center of your brain? Because they are easier to think about. Why are they easier to think about? Because they stimulate your neurons. Why do ugly things not stimulate your neurons? I think because something pretty puts you in a good mood. Why would something like a pretty lake calm someone down? Its obvious why seeing violence would not calm someone down, cause it causes you to think about violence which is threatening to that person, causing them to shut down with worry. In that case the visual leads to thought. Maybe something like water or a large landscape leads to no thought cause there is nothing to do in those environments, cause they are so peaceful and have nothing in them. And something pretty has fun things to do in it and fun things to feel, like feelings jagged edges wouldn’t be fun, but feeling smooth ones would be fun cause it doesn’t disrupt your senses. So smooth things are prettier and jagged things are usually uglier. So the entire visual sensation isn’t really a sensation, it just causes you to think about more real sensations like touch and touching things. Something jagged feels bad when you touch it so its ugly. Why else would you take pleasure from seeing something? Seriously… The pleasure has to derive from somewhere real. Smell is just stimulating different neurons in your brain. Same with taste. How would I verbally describe smell/taste? Maybe that’s wrong and feeling is just what the physical object causes you to think about. Like if you had a mechanic arm it would feel… mechanical. When you have a human arm is feels real and mushy, which is what the arm causes you to think about, mushy stuff like blood and muscles interacting. And if you get shot you think about things getting destroyed, so you feel pain. So if you had a mechanical arm it would feel exactly like that, a mechanical arm, you’d feel like a robot. So we can give our robot a mechanical body and he’d feel it just by thinking about it. And a visual processor to process the lines and smoothness and patterns he sees. Then when sees a pattern that is harmonious, he will think of harmony and that will make him happy. We can tell him what to do “get up and walk around”. How would he understand that. He can learn from his visual processor, getting up would just be his observation of other things and objects getting up, when he sees a human get up they move their legs and torso in a certain way, etc. So he just copies that with his body. Simple. So just give him lots of visual data to process. With descriptions of what everything that is going on is. Then when he hears someone say that, he will understand and respond.


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You neglected to give any information pertaining to how that is implemented by a computer. The real challenge that engineers face is the implementation of realistic AI. There has been much research into the theory behind the brains mechanics already.

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Save a copy of that for yourself, then get a degree in cognitive science (or similar fields of study), then look back on that writing and smile... [smile]

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<< Save a copy of that for yourself, then get a degree in cognitive science (or similar fields of study), then look back on that writing and smile... >>

Or even a rudimentry understanding of how a computer works.

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Though this

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One way to do this is to show all the connections in the human mind and how they work.

is truth. Though there is some useful information from biological aspect. Nevertheless the document helps nothing from AI aspect.

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What is one connection to start. Your physical senses you have physical sense.
You have mental senses. But everything begins with a type of physical
sense/sensation. So what are all the physical sensations. There are the 5 senses
taste, touch, sight, sound and smell. When you walk into a room you experience
all of those senses. What if you think about something, that is just thinking
about a sensation, anything you can is really just a
physical Everything is neurological. logical thinking
structures, in the end to physical well. Now we need
to verbally how the human mind works. So see things, you get
sensations. You get sensations and you get thoughts. Those sensations and
thoughts cause feelings. That’s it. Why do you get those sensations and thoughts
and feelings? Well a physical sensation is just neurological stimulation from a
sense. If you touch something neurological signals are sent to your brain that
you are having feeling at that touch, that is a feeling, just touching something
causes a feeling. Similarly smelling something causes another feeling. As with
the other senses. Thoughts can also cause feelings, you can think about
something happy or something would one thing cause happiness? Some
things stimulate your neurons other things don’t stimulate them, so
happiness would be the neurological stimulation. “meaning” is just neurological
stimulation. How do some things stimulate your neurons and make you happy while
others don’t? A girl might have a pretty face that when you look at makes you
happy. So visually you get pleased. When you think of the girl, you would get
happy, reason would be it stimulates your visual brain.
Why do things stimulate the visual center of your Because they
are easier about. Why are they easier to think hey
stimulate your Why do ugly things not stimulate neurons? I think
because something puts you in a good mood. something like a
pretty lake calm Its obvious why would not calm
someone down, cause which is threatening
to that person, causing In that case the visual
leads to thought. Maybe something like water or a large landscape leads to no
thought cause there is nothing to do in those environments, cause they are so
peaceful and have nothing in them. And something pretty has fun things to do in

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What is one connection to start. Your physical senses you have physical sense.
You have mental senses. But everything begins with a type of physical
sense/sensation. So what are all the physical sensations. There are the 5 senses
taste, touch, sight, sound and smell. When you walk into a room you experience
all of those senses. What if you think about something, that is just thinking
about a sensation, anything you can is really just a
physical Everything is neurological. logical thinking
structures, in the end to physical well. Now we need
to verbally how the human mind works. So see things, you get
sensations. You get sensations and you get thoughts. Those sensations and
thoughts cause feelings. That’s it. Why do you get those sensations and thoughts
and feelings? Well a physical sensation is just neurological stimulation from a
sense. If you touch something neurological signals are sent to your brain that
you are having feeling at that touch, that is a feeling, just touching something
causes a feeling. Similarly smelling something causes another feeling. As with
the other senses. Thoughts can also cause feelings, you can think about
something happy or something would one thing cause happiness? Some
things stimulate your neurons other things don’t stimulate them, so
happiness would be the neurological stimulation. “meaning” is just neurological
stimulation. How do some things stimulate your neurons and make you happy while
others don’t? A girl might have a pretty face that when you look at makes you
happy. So visually you get pleased. When you think of the girl, you would get
happy, reason would be it stimulates your visual brain.
Why do things stimulate the visual center of your Because they
are easier about. Why are they easier to think hey
stimulate your Why do ugly things not stimulate neurons? I think
because something puts you in a good mood. something like a
pretty lake calm Its obvious why would not calm
someone down, cause which is threatening
to that person, causing In that case the visual
leads to thought. Maybe something like water or a large landscape leads to no
thought cause there is nothing to do in those environments, cause they are so
peaceful and have nothing in them. And something pretty has fun things to do in


ROFLMAO! This is exactly the kind of thing a machine would never be able to do.

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ROFLMAO! This is exactly the kind of thing a machine would never be able to do.


I disagree. I could easily write a text justifier to take any block of text and redistribute its white spaces so that it embeds a recognisable image. I could even write it so that it chose the image based on some comprehension of the text itself, so you would actually observe a reproducible relationship between text content and the images... you might even believe there was some kind of limited intelligence operating behind that creation of imagery.

As for the OPs post... it's nice to have ideas... it's great to share them too and to discuss them... but if you haven't read particularly widely on the current state of knowledge in the fields underlying your topic, it's going to show and people aren't going to take you seriously.

Many of the ideas you speak of have been considered in a variety of fields. Some of them have merit, some don't. Ultimately though, none of them are within the capacity of current engineering practice to embody in a realistic artificial human.

Cheers,

Timkin

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What is one connection to start. Your physical senses you have physical sense.
You have mental senses. But everything begins with a type of physical
sense/sensation. So what are all the physical sensations. There are the 5 senses
taste, touch, sight, sound and smell. When you walk into a room you experience
all of those senses. What if you think about something, that is just thinking
about a sensation, anything you can is really just a
physical Everything is neurological. logical thinking
structures, in the end to physical well. Now we need
to verbally how the human mind works. So see things, you get
sensations. You get sensations and you get thoughts. Those sensations and
thoughts cause feelings. That’s it. Why do you get those sensations and thoughts
and feelings? Well a physical sensation is just neurological stimulation from a
sense. If you touch something neurological signals are sent to your brain that
you are having feeling at that touch, that is a feeling, just touching something
causes a feeling. Similarly smelling something causes another feeling. As with
the other senses. Thoughts can also cause feelings, you can think about
something happy or something would one thing cause happiness? Some
things stimulate your neurons other things don’t stimulate them, so
happiness would be the neurological stimulation. “meaning” is just neurological
stimulation. How do some things stimulate your neurons and make you happy while
others don’t? A girl might have a pretty face that when you look at makes you
happy. So visually you get pleased. When you think of the girl, you would get
happy, reason would be it stimulates your visual brain.
Why do things stimulate the visual center of your Because they
are easier about. Why are they easier to think hey
stimulate your Why do ugly things not stimulate neurons? I think
because something puts you in a good mood. something like a
pretty lake calm Its obvious why would not calm
someone down, cause which is threatening
to that person, causing In that case the visual
leads to thought. Maybe something like water or a large landscape leads to no
thought cause there is nothing to do in those environments, cause they are so
peaceful and have nothing in them. And something pretty has fun things to do in


This post is a masterpiece.

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ROFLMAO! This is exactly the kind of thing a machine would never be able to do.


I disagree. I could easily write a text justifier to take any block of text and redistribute its white spaces so that it embeds a recognisable image. I could even write it so that it chose the image based on some comprehension of the text itself, so you would actually observe a reproducible relationship between text content and the images... you might even believe there was some kind of limited intelligence operating behind that creation of imagery.


You could program it to imitate JBourrie behavior, but can you make it genuinely invent such a form of humorous sarcasm ?

edit: Sarcasm is the word.

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You could program it to imitate JBourrie behavior, but can you make it genuinely invent such a form of humorous sarcasm ?


Sure! just add another layer of perceptrons to decide when it's feeling humorous.

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JBourrie Humour-Neural-Network:

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Edit: What the bejesus is going on with my Ascii-art [crying]

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Objective: to verbally explain how to create an artificial human.

One way to do this is to show all the connections in the human mind and how they work.

What is one connection to start. Your physical senses you have physical sense. You have mental senses. But everything begins with a type of physical sense/sensation. So what are all the physical sensations. There are the 5 senses taste, touch, sight, sound and smell. When you walk into a room you experience all of those senses. What if you think about something, that is just thinking about a physical sensation, anything you can think about is really just a physical sensation. Everything is neurological. Including logical thinking structures, which relate in the end to physical sensations as well. Now we need to verbally explain how the human mind works. So when you see things, you get sensations. You get sensations and you get thoughts. Those sensations and thoughts cause feelings. That’s it. Why do you get those sensations and thoughts and feelings? Well a physical sensation is just neurological stimulation from a sense. If you touch something neurological signals are sent to your brain that you are having feeling at that touch, that is a feeling, just touching something causes a feeling. Similarly smelling something causes another feeling. As with the other senses. Thoughts can also cause feelings, you can think about something happy or something sad. Why would one thing cause happiness? Some things stimulate your neurons while other things don’t stimulate them, so happiness would be the neurological stimulation. “meaning” is just neurological stimulation. How do some things stimulate your neurons and make you happy while others don’t? A girl might have a pretty face that when you look at makes you happy. So visually you get pleased. When you think of the girl, you would get happy, and the reason would be it stimulates your visual center of the brain. Why do pretty things stimulate the visual center of your brain? Because they are easier to think about. Why are they easier to think about? Because they stimulate your neurons. Why do ugly things not stimulate your neurons? I think because something pretty puts you in a good mood. Why would something like a pretty lake calm someone down? Its obvious why seeing violence would not calm someone down, cause it causes you to think about violence which is threatening to that person, causing them to shut down with worry. In that case the visual leads to thought. Maybe something like water or a large landscape leads to no thought cause there is nothing to do in those environments, cause they are so peaceful and have nothing in them. And something pretty has fun things to do in it and fun things to feel, like feelings jagged edges wouldn’t be fun, but feeling smooth ones would be fun cause it doesn’t disrupt your senses. So smooth things are prettier and jagged things are usually uglier. So the entire visual sensation isn’t really a sensation, it just causes you to think about more real sensations like touch and touching things. Something jagged feels bad when you touch it so its ugly. Why else would you take pleasure from seeing something? Seriously… The pleasure has to derive from somewhere real. Smell is just stimulating different neurons in your brain. Same with taste. How would I verbally describe smell/taste? Maybe that’s wrong and feeling is just what the physical object causes you to think about. Like if you had a mechanic arm it would feel… mechanical. When you have a human arm is feels real and mushy, which is what the arm causes you to think about, mushy stuff like blood and muscles interacting. And if you get shot you think about things getting destroyed, so you feel pain. So if you had a mechanical arm it would feel exactly like that, a mechanical arm, you’d feel like a robot. So we can give our robot a mechanical body and he’d feel it just by thinking about it. And a visual processor to process the lines and smoothness and patterns he sees. Then when sees a pattern that is harmonious, he will think of harmony and that will make him happy. We can tell him what to do “get up and walk around”. How would he understand that. He can learn from his visual processor, getting up would just be his observation of other things and objects getting up, when he sees a human get up they move their legs and torso in a certain way, etc. So he just copies that with his body. Simple. So just give him lots of visual data to process. With descriptions of what everything that is going on is. Then when he hears someone say that, he will understand and respond.



Hey! It's like me being drunk! :)

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Emotions will not create AI just on it's own. Also implementing sensory requirements will not create AI automatically.

BTW how many sentences did you read from his article?

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I think xionirk ran away, when we pointed out that he didn't know what he was talking about and neither did anyone else.
(I mean can you actually read that brick wall of a post?)

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Some people think this AI forum is comp.ai.philosophy. We can't blame them for their ignorance when they're new, but we can politely point out the appropriate use of this forum, or where best they should espouse their views.

Timkin

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I think xionirk ran away, when we pointed out that he didn't know what he was talking about and neither did anyone else.
(I mean can you actually read that brick wall of a post?)



Hmm, that would be a good AI project for the future -- Paragraph Checking/Correcting (like Spell Checking -- which itself could be enhanced by spelling variant validation by context...).

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Objective: to verbally explain how to create an artificial human.

One way to do this is to show all the connections in the human mind and how they work.

What is one connection to start. Your physical senses you have physical sense. You have mental senses. But everything begins with a type of physical sense/sensation. So what are all the physical sensations. There are the 5 senses taste, touch, sight, sound and smell.

When you walk into a room you experience all of those senses. What if you think about something, that is just thinking about a physical sensation, anything you can think about is really just a physical sensation. Everything is neurological. Including logical thinking structures, which relate in the end to physical sensations as well.

Now we need to verbally explain how the human mind works. So when you see things, you get sensations. You get sensations and you get thoughts. Those sensations and thoughts cause feelings. That’s it.

Why do you get those sensations and thoughts and feelings? Well a physical sensation is just neurological stimulation from a sense. If you touch something neurological signals are sent to your brain that you are having feeling at that touch, that is a feeling, just touching something causes a feeling. Similarly smelling something causes another feeling. As with the other senses.

Thoughts can also cause feelings, you can think about something happy or something sad. Why would one thing cause happiness? Some things stimulate your neurons while other things don’t stimulate them, so happiness would be the neurological stimulation.

“meaning” is just neurological stimulation. How do some things stimulate your neurons and make you happy while others don’t? A girl might have a pretty face that when you look at makes you happy. So visually you get pleased. When you think of the girl, you would get happy, and the reason would be it stimulates your visual center of the brain. Why do pretty things stimulate the visual center of your brain? Because they are easier to think about. Why are they easier to think about? Because they stimulate your neurons.

Why do ugly things not stimulate your neurons? I think because something pretty puts you in a good mood. Why would something like a pretty lake calm someone down? Its obvious why seeing violence would not calm someone down, cause it causes you to think about violence which is threatening to that person, causing them to shut down with worry. In that case the visual leads to thought.

Maybe something like water or a large landscape leads to no thought cause there is nothing to do in those environments, cause they are so peaceful and have nothing in them. And something pretty has fun things to do in it and fun things to feel, like feelings jagged edges wouldn’t be fun, but feeling smooth ones would be fun cause it doesn’t disrupt your senses. So smooth things are prettier and jagged things are usually uglier. So the entire visual sensation isn’t really a sensation, it just causes you to think about more real sensations like touch and touching things.

Something jagged feels bad when you touch it so its ugly. Why else would you take pleasure from seeing something? Seriously… The pleasure has to derive from somewhere real. Smell is just stimulating different neurons in your brain. Same with taste.

How would I verbally describe smell/taste? Maybe that’s wrong and feeling is just what the physical object causes you to think about. Like if you had a mechanic arm it would feel… mechanical. When you have a human arm is feels real and mushy, which is what the arm causes you to think about, mushy stuff like blood and muscles interacting. And if you get shot you think about things getting destroyed, so you feel pain.

So if you had a mechanical arm it would feel exactly like that, a mechanical arm, you’d feel like a robot. So we can give our robot a mechanical body and he’d feel it just by thinking about it. And a visual processor to process the lines and smoothness and patterns he sees. Then when sees a pattern that is harmonious, he will think of harmony and that will make him happy.

We can tell him what to do “get up and walk around”. How would he understand that. He can learn from his visual processor, getting up would just be his observation of other things and objects getting up, when he sees a human get up they move their legs and torso in a certain way, etc. So he just copies that with his body. Simple. So just give him lots of visual data to process. With descriptions of what everything that is going on is. Then when he hears someone say that, he will understand and respond.



I *tried* to do this person a favour and break it up into paragraphs, but there really aren't any cohesive thoughts so this is the best I could do.

OP - If you're going to repost this somewhere more appropriate, try not to ramble and divide your argument into key points supported by logic/facts. Try googling "Paragraph Structure" for an explanation.

Oh, and nothing you've said is new. Look up "strong AI," then look up "materialism" and "functionalism." What you've written could go either way.

If you weren't trying to describe how to create an artificial mind, I would almost certainly peg you as supporting Searle's "biological naturalism." In fact, "So if you had a mechanical arm it would feel exactly like that, a mechanical arm, you’d feel like a robot," sounds like something Searle would write if he had Down Syndrome. Of course, Searle would then follow up with some sort of analogy showing why it would be impossible for the robot to "feel" anything at all, nevermind "like a robot."

You also have a poor understanding of "intentionality" with a 't', and I would suggest you read up on that as well.

In my opinion, the only thing you've described is a "zombie" (see Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy for an explanation) and you're not even close to an implementation of an artificial mind.

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