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Roman Arce    122
I saw some messages about studying computers stuff and a college degree opening doors... Just something, all the things related to computers change SOOO fast that when you spend like 5 years at college when you come out most of what you''ve learned is obsolete, of course there are a few things that never change but most of the subjects are old by the time you finish. Assembly language to optimize for speed n size, gone. DOS prompt, gone. Output to the ports, gone for applications programming. So if someone has a degree, even from last year, if the person knows everything that''s needed to make a game or if only knows old stuff it''s all up to the person, the college degree doesn''t really say too much. Just as an example, imagine the average time for college in 5 or 6 years, Windows 95 and DirectX appeared just 5 years and 7 monthes ago.

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I agree that what is being taught in college now will be obsolete, but I don''t think a degree will be useless. A degree will say that you have the ability to learn in this field. You can say the same thing for many degree''s, it''s just the way it is. I doubt that you will have success getting a job at many companies without one.

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Martee    476
The point of college isn''t to learn specific topics like DirectX or OpenGL, it''s to learn how to program. Linked lists, trees, graphs, OOP concepts, the software development process, and so on. If you take a course on computer graphics, it probably won''t be using any particular API ... it will be on the fundamental algorithms behind all graphics APIs - lines, shapes, curves, rasterization, 3d projection, transformations, etc.

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Ironside    122
I took a course in 3d graphics, we learned all the math behind the graphics pipeline and some of the rendering stuff. We also made numerous programs using GLUT and OpenGL. But I would say that the most important thing college teaches you is not in the cirriclum. The things I learned in college where not so tangible.

Taking pride in my work and doing my best at everything. Being able to take large projects, systematically break them down and complete them by the specified deadline. The ability to focus and learn things that wern''t in my primary interests. The ability to solve problems analitically and rationally. Self confidance in knowing I''ve had to learn some pretty intellectual stuff (Artificial Neural Networks) and implement it (I implemented a backpropigation nerual network from scratch). Knowing that If called to, I can solve other difficult problems in the future.

That is the value I found in my education. Doesn''t really matter what the degree is, it''s the fact that you finished it. Kinda like how allmost no one ever finishes an independant game. It''s not the fact that your game is cutting edge, infact all the tecnology in it is probably obsolete. What makes it so cool, and so valuable is that you actually finished it. It''s what you learned along the way that makes you proud. You dont care if it''s competing with the Unreal2 engine or the doom3 engine. The fact is you finished it and you learned a heck of alot doing it.

Game coding is alot like school that way.

Iron

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Roman Arce    122
Those words Ironside are inspiring, or in my condition depressing, I'm interested only in physics so it has nothing to do with computers but I'm sure that studying physics at college in a civilized country would be like that, like getting completely into a subject which in the case of physics for me would be lovely... Too bad that I'm in a third world country (argentina) with no education and that I cannot afford to go to study in a civilized country and there're no scholarships for foreigners so I'm doomed to learn on my own and good books are expensive and in the internet there's no real information but it's still lovely. I hate argentina. Free college for all!!! Of course physics is not related in any way to getting a job, it's just that I love it, that stuff you wrote about computers is how I feel about physics, it would be so great to be in a physics environment and even working really hard in physics related stuff... Well, I'm gonna have to learn on my own, I learned always on my own due to geographical location and I made a videogame of 18000 lines in assembly language on my own, no one liked it but I did it my way. It would be really nice if someday we could have (at least in the civilized countries) free college for everybody including a place to stay while studying plus money for basic needs. Anyway there's people starving to death in Africa so I can't complain... A LOT OF LOVE,
Roman Arce

Edited by - roman arce on March 15, 2001 3:13:18 AM

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DarkAngel16    122
Pretty sure we covered this in a long thread about 1-2 months ago ?

College/University is about the theory and techniques.. not the current syntax, method''s etc.

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JonnyQuest    331
Same in Austria, all schools and unis are free, but you can forget studying anything technical. (which is the reason why I''ll be studying in Britain)

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Roman Arce    122
Well, I'm in a pathetic third world country called argentina and here college is also free for everybody, only that the education is total crap, private education is not better at all, for example in physics science (not physics engineering) there's only one option and it's in the free college, no private university teaches physics, but in that option in free college you only learn classic physics (stuff until 1900), about modern physics (after year 1900) like relativity n quantum mechanics they teach almost nothing, and teachers don't even understand the most basic things of Special Relativity, so, it's free right, but even being free is a swindle.
About the last post, is it hard to go to study to Britain or the USA? Like $, passport, visa, cost of the education, cost of a place to stay, high school degrees from other countries are probably useless so what are the requierements, and posibility of scholarships I think it's zero for people from other countries, any info is appreciated.


Edited by - roman arce on March 18, 2001 12:55:51 PM

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Hase    313
quote:
Original post by JonnyQuest

Same in Austria, all schools and unis are free, )



hate do disagree, but as of October the Universities are NOT free anymore.
you pay ATS 10000 a year which is about.. $800 i´d guess...

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JonnyQuest    331
Did I say they will be free in the future? I know all about it, but I doubt it''ll change the situation in any way. Anyway, ATS 10000 isn''t much really when you come to think of it. (especially when you compare it to other countries)


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kressilac    110
Roman,

Coming to the US to learn is not that difficult. Don''t get me wrong it is not easy because of immigration laws and such, but if you are sufficiently talented, you can find a scholarship and or work your way through school. You probably won''t go to Harvard or anything, but even most state schools offer you a great value for the education dollar you will spend there.

Look into student exchange programs, and other social programs that work with the US to bring foreigners into the country for education purposes. Point the desire to learn Physics at learning how to get to the place where you can learn more Physics. Learn, the system, read about it every chance you can get and I am sure that you will find a way to get to the US. It may be difficult, it may require sacrifice, but if you want it bad enough, the US is a place that you can go to, to study.

I wish you the best of luck in achieving your goals, and oh btw, you will have to study things other than Physics in college. That broad educational value is why college is so important these days. For all the reasons Ironside listed you should try to figure out how you are going to study at a good school rather than wishing your country had better schools.

Best regards.
Sincerely
Derek Licciardi

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Hase    313
quote:
Original post by JonnyQuest

Anyway, ATS 10000 isn''t much really when you come to think of it.




Hmmm.... it depends on where you stand.. if you have parents who can afford putting you through university it´s not much, but if you have to earn your own living its a hell of a lot.
And if calculated to the average income of a student, the fee is somewhere between 15%-20% of the annual income. So don´t tell me it´s not much.

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DarkAngel16    122
I''d have to agree, If you are talented in what you want to do and really have the will to do it, there are many programes availible to goto places like UK, U.S, Australia, Canada etc.
And if have a CV together (I.T) then there''s also a chance you could find a "sponsor", you work for them while you study.

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