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After having the second Abit component in my computer go out on me recently (First was a video card, second was a mobo), I've been thinking about companies that I will not buy from, ever again. Currently, Abit tops that list for me. How about you? Any tech horror stories? Companies with really bad reputations? For that matter, share your really positive tech experiences. (I.E. buying 30 HDDs and having no failures, etc.)

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Original post by PromitOdd that you've had problems with Abit though. They're an Asus sub-brand.


I know. I haven't heard of anything similar, but my brother's Abit motherboard also went bad about a year ago. I just thought of something: Our Abit products are both product samples from our aunt, an international sales representative for some tech companies. There might be issues with them that were resolved before the final production run.

Regardless, I'm going to buy from Asus or Gigabyte after doing a lot more research than I did last time.

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Creative since they are hit or miss and still haven't fixed "the screech of death" that various soundcards they produce make.
I"d recommend Seagate any day since every HDD I ever bought from them is still working flawlessly to this day!
Can't say the same thing about my WD or Maxtor HDD since they seem to have a max lifetime of 3 years excluding WD raptor drives(I have a 36GB one that's made it over 3 years).

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I've had decent luck with Samsung and WD hard drives (especially raptors).

I like Asus. I also like Intel over Athlon, after having gone back and forth several times. (My current CPU is Athlon X2; next will be Core 2 Duo or better).

I like NVIDIA, and have had both hardware and driver problems with ATI.

I can never get accelerated drivers to work with Soundblasters -- when I use Creative cards, I turn off hardware acceleration in the control panel.

I don't like FIC motherboards, or anything with a VIA chip on it.

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I've had good luck with segate drives, and horific luck with WD ones.
I agree with the driver issues on the ATI cards.
Though I am still an AMD fanboy (mainly due to mobo driver issues on all my pentium computers)
I love the soundblaster line, and havent had a single issue with it, but I have had issues with all the build-in Intel/Nforce sound chips.

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Why do people say Abit and Asus are related?

ASUS was formed in 1989 by former Acer employees, (AOpen IS an Acer group, ASUS is just a group formed by FORMER Acer engineers).

Abit was also formed in 1989, a totally seperate company from ASUS that was actually one of it's fiercest competitors in the mid 1990s, when both ASUS and Abit we're still boutique and cheap taiwaneese companies.

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I've had MAJOR problems with Creative brand sound card drivers since things became windows based and not "Sound Plaster compatibility" based. They bought EMU who had better windows sound blaster compatibility than the current sound blaster, but it has never been right since. Creative LIVE drivers always screw up stuff in windows, the Audigy was much better luckily, but now I have weird X-Fi problems. This card plays fine in every game I have except Guild Wars, which for no known reason just completely locks when I have the X-Fi enabled. I have to actually switch to my integrated sound to play it. And this problem has not changed in over 14 months of game patches and driver releases.

I've had good luck with nvidia reference drivers, with only 1 case of a driver obviously screwing something up that used to work (1 bad install out of about 15 total), with ATI drivers I've had that happen 3 times (3 bad installs out of about 9 total). But mostly they both work fine lately.

I used to hear people complain about Maxtor drive quality, but I've never had 1 fail, and they amount to nearly 50% of my drives over the last 10 years (6 maxtor drives out of 14). Then again, for both memory and hard drives, I've had only 1 failure each, while my friend who lived at a house with bad power regulation burned up 3 HDs and 4 sticks of memory in 2 years.

Only thing that generally sucks is ALL brands of CDROM/DVD ... but they only cost $31 now, so who cares. And the those damn little fans on everything, video cards, northbridges, etc. They always fail about anywhere from 6-24 months. Which risks taking the whole computer with it if you run your computer 24/7 and don't notive.

Oh yeah, 1 more thing, the most important too. Power supplies. Cheap power supplies have accounted for something like 30-50% of all problems me and my friends have experienced over the past 5 years, always check the power quality before wasting time with anything else. Better yet, but spend the money and get quality power.

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My Abit Radeon 9200 SE went bad after ~2 years when I did a driver update. The rest of my computer is crappy, so I want to get a new one this summer. However, I also want an Xbox 360, because right now I'm sharing one, and it's annoying having to either 1) go to their house on weekends to play, or 2) wait until it's my turn to have it. I must say, it's a tough choice, having played the Crackdown demo yesterday :)

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I've had problems with various RAM manufacturers, and finally settled on Crucial, which while a little more expensive usually, hasn't failed me yet. Don't even think about buying Ebuyer's extra cheap own brand RAM.

I've also had no failures with any of my three seagate drives, and all three are over 3 years old. Come to think of it, I still have a Hitachi 4GB drive that is 8 or so years old and works fine :)

I've had one good, and one bad experience with ATI cards, the current card being the good experience thankfully. I heartily agree with Xai too on power supplies, don't ever go for the cheaper option.

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...but now I have weird X-Fi problems. This card plays fine in every game I have except Guild Wars, which for no known reason just completely locks when I have the X-Fi enabled. I have to actually switch to my integrated sound to play it.


Guild Wars plays just fine with my X-Fi.

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Oh yeah, 1 more thing, the most important too. Power supplies. Cheap power supplies have accounted for something like 30-50% of all problems me and my friends have experienced over the past 5 years, always check the power quality before wasting time with anything else. Better yet, but spend the money and get quality power.


Agreed. And the false marketing which so many PSU manufacturers use.

"We can dish out 1000W with our newest model! That is enough to power a Quadro SLI Nvidia 6800 setup. Buy it NOW! Oh you did? We forgot to tell you that our PSU can not supply enough amps to be able to run even one of those cards. Too bad!"

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I"d recommend Seagate any day since every HDD I ever bought from them is still working flawlessly to this day!


Second that. I had a 128MB Seagate HDD in my old 386 pc - running windows 3.1 with a colossal 4MB of ram - and it lasted until 2001! (That was when the BIOS died and took everything else with it.)

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I'm not the type to totally reject a company once they messed up with me, but it will take some time and positive hearsay for me to be willing to give them another chance.

1. IBM / Hitachi - I had 5 or so IBM drives and not a single one of them lasted more than 18 months, under careful handling and active cooling. Following the recommendations of a friend, I switched over to WD. All of my WD drives to this day are still working (the oldest one being 5+ years in heavy use).

2. ATI - I really liked my Radeon 9800 Pro which was one of the models with an R360 (the XT chip) that overclocked very well, especially on water cooling ;). Next in line was a GeForce 6800 after which I returned to ATI with a Radeon X1950 Pro. Gothic 3 displays garbage on this card, Rainbow Six sometimes has funny triangles that look like an index buffer problem and when I use 4xFSAA, it crashes within approximately 2 hours.

3. Corsair - I bought 1 GB Corsair 3200 XLPRO with CL2-2-2-5 timings (which even today still cost $300+) and expected it to be super-stable high quality RAM. While my previous system running on Infineon DIMMs was rock-solid, I had lots of access violations in Oblivion (one every few hours). When I contacted Corsair support, I was told that those DIMMs needed 2,7 Volts to be reliable at those timings. Done that, got a noticable improvement in stability, but there's still some spooky behavior, like an occassionally corrupted file.

4. Logitech - This might be surprising, but imho, the quality of their hardware sucks. I had an MX-500 and am now using an MX-518. The 518's wheel is scraping in the side, the right button touches the middle panel and two of the glide pads have come off (and I'm not even resting my hand on the mouse). I'm going to try the Microsoft Habu next, because really like Razer and only the bad ergonomics have kept me away from their mice.

-Markus-

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4. Logitech - This might be surprising, but imho, the quality of their hardware sucks. I had an MX-500 and am now using an MX-518. The 518's wheel is scraping in the side, the right button touches the middle panel and two of the glide pads have come off (and I'm not even resting my hand on the mouse). I'm going to try the Microsoft Habu next, because really like Razer and only the bad ergonomics have kept me away from their mice.


Have you tried the MX-310? It's a "cheap" mouse, but I've been using mine for a few years now, and it works like it did out of the box. I'm using it on a pretty uneven desktop, and the glide pads are fine, and the optics work wonderfully, for me.

Their $20 headphones, however, aren't good at all. Understandable, because they're $20 headphones.

As for the Corsair RAM, my aunt (sales rep for Corsair, Abit and a few other companies, that's how I got my Abit gear) had some spare product samples, and I've been amazed with the Corsair XMS. Except for one stick, which, before my mobo fried, was paired with another similar to it. When I added another GB of XMS to my current gig, I would randomly get memory errors while playing certain games. I took out my "old" RAM, so I had 1 GB of the fast, low-latency RAM, and it worked.

I tried that GB in another computer, and one stick works fine, while the other will get errors.

However, they're product samples, not the actual released hardware, which might help to explain my hardware problems, both Abit and Corsair.

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labtec, gah their stuff is shit, and their earbud headphones are surrounded by sandpaper rather than foam.

Logitech's headsets and webcams are pretty bad too. Starting to have problems with their speakers too(my Z-3's cord is getting loose then it lets out horrible feedback).

IIRC memorex had some pretty horrible cd-r's

XPlio and IPC are computer brand names to stay away from.


As for companies to stay away from I'm having a huge fiasco with Staples right now and I've been waiting since January for a power adapter for my laptop. Always a stupid response after another.

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I've purchased a fair amount of eVGA recently and I must say that I've been happy with their product. I have both a mobo and card from them that work flawlessly and don't seem to have any problems.

I will also vouch for Seagate as I haven't had any issues with them either. Their hard drive is still going strong for me. I also purchased a Western Digital portable drive and its very sleek! I recommend it.

I've been lucky though. Haven't hit too many horror stories beyond a few defective video cables that weren't shielding properly.

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After having the second Abit component in my computer go out on me recently (First was a video card, second was a mobo), I've been thinking about companies that I will not buy from, ever again. Currently, Abit tops that list for me.


Was it an Intel-compatible or AMD-compatible Abit board? I've had problems with Abit's Intel boards but their AMD boards are rock solid (so far).

I have had an ATI 9800 Pro with stock heat sink/fan crap out after playing MMOs for too long. I haven't had any nVidia hardware fail, and nVidia's XP drivers kick the ^%#@ out of ATI's. The Vista drivers, on the other hand... "under construction" :(

I've had two Lite-On DVD burners die on me after some moderate usage. I also had StarForce drivers installed at the time which may or may not have anything to do with it...


On the opposite end of the spectrum, I've owned 6 or 7 Western Digital hard drives and none of them have ever crapped out on me (including a WD Passport like what JBS103 might be talking about - USB powered 100GB drive that fits in your pocket! What could be better?!)

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Was it an Intel-compatible or AMD-compatible Abit board?


AMD. Running an Athlon 64 3200+, with two optical drives, 2 HDDs, and an x1950 pro (when it went out on me) so it's not like I was running too much on it.

To the best of my knowledge, it's actually only the BIOS that's dead, but I was having USB 2.0 problems, SATA issues, etc., so I'm just going with a new board.

For a replacement, I'm looking at MSI, ASUS (1), or ASUS (2). Anyone care to give an opinion?

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My Abit BH6 has been running for nearly ten years without a problem - at least until today when I found out the wireless network card I just bought requires PCI 2.2 and I've only got 2.1 [crying]

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when coming through pre built machines they are all shit. No good customer service and most of time over priced for the so call customer service??yeah DELL horrid but me building machine myself and having newegg worry for the rem's and burn pieces great i geuss 100 out of 10 vs the 10 out 1000000000000000100000000010000000000010001010100100000 with prebuilt machines

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