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Hey everyone, For some time now, I have been planning to build myself a good PC--both cool looking, and one that will be DX 10 compatible, and a very good gaming machine. One that could play my games very well, and the ones I make. This is what I was thinking: Rosewill TU-155 Black 0.8mm SGCC Steel ATX Mid Tower (Already have) AMD Athlon 64 x2 3800+ Windsor 2.0GHz Socket AM2 Processor ECS NFORCE4M-A (V1.1) Socket AM2 NVIDIA nForce4 4X ATX AMD Motherboard XFX PVT80GTHF9 GeForce 8800GTS 640MB 320-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 Video Card This looks good: RAIDMAX Hybrid 2 RX-530SS ATX12V 530W Power Supply 100 Along with a (currently 40GB HDD, which I have), DDR2 SDRAM, And a CD/DVD R/RW drive--duel sided, if possible. This is the first time im attempting to build a PC, so Im looking for suggestions, or if there is any problems with the above list? What do you think? *edit: Fixed link. [Edited by - Crypter on July 17, 2007 8:34:32 PM]

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A 530 W power supply is overkill for your system. I read an article somewhere that found that even a top-of-the-line system under extreme conditions pulls less than 400 W. Power supplies are generally less efficient when the power load is low. Not only will a lower-rated power supply cost less money, but it will also run cooler. As a side note, the power supply designs where you to plug in only the cables that you need are nice.

Also, consider that your video card costs more than all the other components combined. You might improve your system's performance by going with a cheaper video card and spending more on the CPU.

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It's actually better still to get a power supply that has some extra juice for future upgrades. Sucks when you throw in something and next thing you know your power supply doesn't have enough power for everything. While you might loose some efficiency, it's only going to be about 10-15%.

The last thing you wan't to do is run your power supply maxed out, it will get hot, have a shorter life span, and put more wear and tear on the psu, and psu poppin can have bad effects on the rest of the system.

I would switch brands of psu, but I wouldn't go less than 500w (based off nvidia's site that says the 6800 should use a 480, but minimum says 350), especially if you plan on adding more hard drives or a bigger processer later on. Your video card takes up about 100w. Not sure how much it takes when it's on full load.

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Has anyone tried this? It looks quite good...

Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz 2 x 4MB L2 Cache LGA 775 Processor

To bad, if I get it, I'll need a different mobo...


Great chip, wait till July 22nd drop in price to $266!!!!

If I didn't already have my E6600 I would get that chip without a doubt. I have the Intel 975X BX2 MB and love it. I have built many systems over the last 10years and can say this is the best board I have every owned. I have Mushkin RAM 6GB and moving to Vista Ultimate 64bit soon. I also have the 8800GTS 640MB card, I had the GTX but sold it with my last system and thought Nvidia was going to update to a dual GPU in one card back last winter, well they didn't so I wish now I would have gotten the GTX at times due to I run a 24" WS LCD @ 1920x1200 so the extra HP would be nice.

Myself I have an Antec 650 watt PS from Best Buy. It's quiet and so far had no issues with it. If you get a cheap PS you may regret it down the road due to instability issues...

PCPower and cooling, Antec, Enermax are all good PS, but PC Power and cooling is the best out of that group, IMO.

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Im going to use the Athlon AMD cpu I posted in the OP.

Unless I wait and get the Intel chip when the price drops..?

Perhaps I'll just wait 'til the 22nd, get the Intel chip, come up
with new specs, and repost to approve of it at GDNet[smile]

*edit: I ment OP not AP :)

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Not bad, but I would go for the Intel chips. They seem to be running the show (and circles around AMD).

Be sure that you have at least 2gb of ram (on separate channels, of course). Just be sure to get Corsair or Kingston. Any less and I would imagine it would be a bottleneck for that 8800 you're throwing in there. Also, I assume you won't be using SLI in the future?

I haven't heard much about that brand of motherboards, but if you want to buy something now (since it's out of stock) you could look into Gigabyte or Asus for a motherboard.

Plus a 40GB isn't going to hold out long if you're installing games AND making them. I think the DirectX SDK alone was a few gigs, if I remember right. If you're looking into hard drives, I recommend Seagate. I believe you can get a SATAII 400GB Seagate from Newegg for about $120.

As far as the case goes, I imagine that the one you have will be fine. Just make sure that it has enough room for all the components. I can't remember off the top of my head, but was it steel or aluminum that played a big role in keeping the system a bit cool?

Make sure your configuration provides a lot of air flow too. Have fans bring in air in the front, and push it out in the back (your case has the slots for them, so that's good!).

Also, I agree with MARS_999. I believe if you want a PSU, go with PC Power & Cooling.

Good luck! It's a lot more fun to build a PC than to select one from Dell. =P

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Not bad, but I would go for the Intel chips. They seem to be running the show (and circles around AMD).


Yeah I agree. The Core2 chips (duo or quattro) blow the current AMD chips out of the water. I was a big AMD fanboy for a long time, but right now there's no functional reason to pick them over the intel chips.

And as for PSU, I'd actually suggest more wattage. the 8800 is a big power hog. the last thing you want is to be underpowered (AFAIK only 750W and up PSUs are reccomended for SLI if you ever want to go that route). But I don't really have empirical evidence to back this up so whatever.... Either way, do not go cheap on the PSU, it's one of the most important components for system stability (and that PSU is crazy cheap...) Since the rest of your system is so pimped out I'd suggest a pimped out PSU (the PC Power & Cooling brand is the king of PSUs; maybe overpriced but super reliable)

-me

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Very good advice.

To comment on power supplies, don't skim by with something cheap because you will regret it. Quality is more important than wattage, and for quality I personally recommend Antec but you're probably OK with whatever if it gets reviewed well. As for processors, Intel's Core 2 Duos are probably the best for your money right now. I wouldn't even bother with AMD until they pick up their slack.

Let us know what you finally decided!

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Hey everyone,

For some time now, I have been planning to build myself a good PC--both
cool looking, and one that will be DX 10 compatible, and a very good gaming
machine. One that could play my games very well, and the ones I make.

This is what I was thinking:

Rosewill TU-155 Black 0.8mm SGCC Steel ATX Mid Tower (Already have)

You already have that case?... Looks kinda small and not well ventilated... I think something like this will suit you better for new components...
CM Centurion 5 (windowed)
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AMD Athlon 64 x2 3800+ Windsor 2.0GHz Socket AM2 Processor

The above is O.K. I have it. Overclocks to around 2.8GHz. I suggest an X2 3600+ as it is 65nm and I believe it costs less.
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ECS NFORCE4M-A (V1.1) Socket AM2 NVIDIA nForce4 4X ATX AMD Motherboard

DO NOT GET THAT PIECE OF GARBAGE. I repeat, DO NOT. ECS boards are crap, that's what they are. I had the ... "pleasure" of personally testing it.
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XFX PVT80GTHF9 GeForce 8800GTS 640MB 320-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 Video Card

Hm. Ok. Might be better to go down a bit to the 320MB and choose out some better components for the rest of the rig.
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This looks good: RAIDMAX Hybrid 2 RX-530SS ATX12V 530W Power Supply 100

Not sure about raidmax. Don't go cheap on the PSU. It is the heart of the system. Trust me, it's not a part that just "fits" into whatever is left of your budget.
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Along with a (currently 40GB HDD, which I have), DDR2 SDRAM, And a CD/DVD R/RW
drive--duel sided, if possible.

Hm. Drive is kinda small. Serial or parallel ATA?
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This is the first time im attempting to build a PC, so Im looking for
suggestions, or if there is any problems with the above list?

What do you think?

*edit: Fixed link.

What's your MAX budget?

Here's a good base that I suggest to most people. We'll chomp it and stomp it once we know your budget.

gigabyte ds3 ga-965P - 110$

Cheap C2D:
C2D E4400 - 126$ - OCs very well

Corsair 2gigs DDR2 800 [2x1GB] - 110$ - I got 1 gig for the same price a year ago. Prices fly by so fast...

EVGA 8800GTS 320MB [OCed] - 280$ - it has a pretty satisfying factory overclock

Corsair 620W - 170$ - just an example of a good PSU. You can drop down to it's little brother (520W, 120$), or another good PSU. OCZ... PC Power and Cooling... Antec. Enermax. Fortron source (FSP group). Don't cheap out, or it'll kill your system.

LG DVD/CD RW - 28$ - a happy little camper [smile]. I have it. Ignore the dumbass that gave it 0 eggs because it came DOA.

That's a good system. Depending on your budget, we'll add/remove/change stuff.

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