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iceDeath    100
ok so im working on a game that may take me one or two years to complete it. mybe even more im working on a MMORPG game. ill work on it really hard for it to look good, if you know games like OBLIVION or GOTHIC 3 so i makeing a game in this style. now, i wonder what coding Language do i need ? C# or C++ and i wonder wich of them is better ? becuse after ill finish this game ill make other games not only MMORPG games. and i need a good coding Language so i can use is for all my games. and not to learn new Language's again.

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ToohrVyk    1595
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ok so im working on a game that may take me one or two years to complite it.
mybe even more
im working on a MMORPG game.


Good luck. Expect one or two years of serious learning before you can start working on this game.

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now, i wonder what coding Language do i need ?
C# or C++
and i wonder wich of them is better ?


Your own competence with the language is more important than the language itself. If you know neither, start with C#, which is generally easier for beginners, and thus faster to acquire competence in. For an MMORPG, you will quite possibly need more than one language anyway.

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and not to learn new Language's again.


Bad idea. Any decent programmer knows at least half a dozen languages, with most professionals knowing more than ten and being able to learn more very quickly. In your case, SQL would be useful fo persisting state.

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ozenc    122
Don't start coding games with a MMO. (To give you a hint, I have CS Major and coding a MMO is close to impossible at this point) Start with simpler games like single player RPG/FPS..

Don't start coding games(especially 3-d ones) unless you have enough experience with a language & API/game engine.

If you know a language (at least one like C/C++) learning other languages are relatively simple. (Ie if you know C++ by heart, you can start coding in C# in 1-2 hours) Most of the concepts are similar.

There's simply no "better language". All of them has pros and cons. C# is simpler for beginners/debugging. But you are limited to MS.

And lastly no matter how hard you try, you can't make a MMO of commercial quality on your own. There are dozens/hundreds of people doing this job for a single game.

Edit: $ -> S

[Edited by - ozenc on August 3, 2007 1:32:34 PM]

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ToohrVyk    1595
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But you are limited to M$.


I was kind of expecting that bit of misinformation to crop up in this thread—though not so soon. C# can be used on non-M$ platforms. Hell, it can even be used on non-Microsoft platforms, and has been for at least three years. Linux and OS X support it transparently, you don't even need to recompile as you would for C++.

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ozenc    122
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But you are limited to M$.


I was kind of expecting that bit of misinformation to crop up in this thread—though not so soon. C# can be used on non-M$ platforms. Hell, it can even be used on non-Microsoft platforms, and has been for at least three years. Linux and OS X support it transparently, you don't even need to recompile as you would for C++.


I was assuming he will use Directx with C# :) I'm not sure if you can use this combination with Linux/Mono or whatever? Even if you can, this isn't the obvious choice for sure as you have OpenGL to do the same job. Anyway, thanks for the correction :)

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iceDeath    100
i didnt say im gona work alon !
did you ever heard about a team ?

and why you do telling me stuff that i dont need
ive just askd what LNG is better for MMOrpg ?

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ToohrVyk    1595
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did you ever heard about a team ?


This reminds me of a "zen question".

If a painter paints a wall in ten days, then ten painters can paint the wall in one day. But, if a plane crosses the ocean in ten hours, why can't ten planes cross the ocean in one hour?

Some concepts in software development can only be learned through failure or experience. Failure takes time, and you seem to respond to the experienced advice of others with agressivity and scorn.

And MMORPG development will involve a lot of these concepts.

It isn't meant as an offense, but judging by your two posts in this thread, you will still need at least a year to reach the level of competence (as well as maturity in the field of engineering) necessary to provide any important programming contribution to an MMORPG project of the scale that you are considering.

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and why you lelling me stuff that i dont need


I find it amusing to sprinkle my answers with anectodical references which, though not providing pratical applications to your questions, will help you better understand the situation you are in. For starters, it should help you understand why "what language?" is not a relevant question, and that you should perhaps be asking "what languages?" instead.

And, since I do answer questions in this forum for my own amusement (as opposed to being legally bound, or paid to do it), I reserve myself the right to add information about the topic at hand to any of my posts as long as the post in itself did answer the original question.

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iceDeath    100
1. im not a totaly beginner i got some experience
2. can you PLEASE JUST TELL ME what lng is better for MMO ?

look i dont understand any thing you say i live in israel
and my english is not that ULTRA PRO EXTRA high.

ive said im working with a team and there are other programers alot better
then me in this team so plz STOP TELLING me how hard it will be
to make this game.

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SimonForsman    7642
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Original post by iceDeath
1. im not a totaly beginner i got some experience
2. can you PLEASE JUST TELL ME what lng is better for MMO ?

look i dont understand any thing you say i live in israel
and my english is not that ULTRA PRO EXTRA high.

ive said im working with a team and there are other programers alot better
then me in this team so plz STOP TELLING me how hard it will be
to make this game.


(almost)Any language will do, thus pick the one you and/or your team know best.

Here is a few suggestions:
(in no particular order)
Java
C#
Python
C++
VB.Net
+ a whole bunch of other languages.

You might also want to pick up SQL (for the database). (not necessary but it does simplify things alot)

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fpsgamer    856
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so plz STOP TELLING me how hard it will be to make this game.


No.

[anecdote]
Now I'm off to start my car company that will make cars better than ferrari. Oh btw, what tools do I need to make a car?
[/anecdote]

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iceDeath    100
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so plz STOP TELLING me how hard it will be to make this game.


No.

[anecdote]
Now I'm off to start my car company that will make cars better than ferrari. Oh btw, what tools do I need to make a car?
[/anecdote]


what is your problem ?
didnt you read what i said ?
STOP TELLING ME HOW HARD IT WILL BE TO MAKE THE GAME
you think im so stupid ?
i know it gona be hard so what is your point ?
show me how tuff you are ?
and if ill say it again you gonna kill me with a spoon ?
just said stop telling me how hard it goona be
WTF is your problem ?
you dont like that kinda words ?

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Roboguy    794
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Original post by iceDeath
so plz STOP TELLING me how hard it will be to make this game.


No.

[anecdote]
Now I'm off to start my car company that will make cars better than ferrari. Oh btw, what tools do I need to make a car?
[/anecdote]


what is your problem ?
didnt you read what i said ?
STOP TELLING ME HOW HARD IT WILL BE TO MAKE THE GAME
you think im so stupid ?
i know it gona be hard so what is your ponit ?

People keep telling you because it's likely you don't understand quite how difficult it will be, despite what you might think.

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show me how tuff you are ?
and if ill say it again you gonna kill me with a spoon ?


What are you talking about?

Seriously, you need to calm down a bit.

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djnevs    100
iceDeath..

Couple of think YOU need to understand

1. Programming is not easy, Game programming (DirectX/OpenGL) is even harder.
2. If you ask what language to use, you have never did the basics in any language of what so ever.

What i recommend is PHP/mySQL.
It's not what you are looking for,
its just to learn the basics.
If you dont know what php/mysql is,
I'll ask, can you write HTML?
If not, this is the wrong place for you.

My Point,
You dont know crap about programming,
I would recommend if you would do some research first.
Like, what languages exists.
Try tutorials of some languages.


But realy,
Try this link!


Regards
Sven

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iceDeath    100
¬_¬

hm hm.
why do you take tis as im gonna make this game alone ?
ive said WITH A TEAM - WITH PEOPLE THAT LOT MORE BTTER THEN ME
SO PLZ STOP TELLING ME HOW HARD IT GONNA BE.

just tell me what CODEING LNG i need thats it ( DOT )
i dont need other help and i all ready said that im not atotaly beginner
and i know what is HARD WORK.
and i know what is PROBLEMS
so if i would need other help i would just ASK !
SHEEEEASH !

BTW
yes yes thats the point i dont know a shit about programing i talk for other
programer ok ?
i just ask you what CODES DO I NEED FOR THE GAME so he can write them
ITS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND THIS ????
im not the programer
and i dont care if i said im a progamer becuse i dont care about what people
think about me.

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djnevs    100
well,
There is not a BEST language to write mmo's in..
Actually, you can make mmo's in all languages
as long as you dont know what SQL is, learn that first
I'm creating a game with c# and directx atm.
and i have got 2 years of c# experiance. and dont know everything
i use google every single day to find out new things.
Google brought me to c#!

I used VB6 bevore .net framework existed. so i knew some stuff already
but everything changed with .net
i had to learn it all over again.
now 2YEARS later, im starting on directx programming,
so please. shut up. about asking what language is best to make a mmo.. THERE;S NO DIFFRENCE!

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nobodynews    3126
It appears that normal methods of telling you what you need to hear aren't working. So I took the liberty of writing a (bad) poem as an allegory. Enjoy.

Ah, my boy, what thin skin you have
I see the veins 'neath your legs and arms
Not snowy white or dark nor shade between
doth any covering protect your soul from
errent truths begote by those wise and sage

The masters cried "you are much too weak"
"Give us time to train you in the arts required"
But just a boy you could not stop to think
Knowing best you stood your ground
And to the foul beast off you went to seek

Upon seeing the monster, you gave a 'yelp'
Your armor shakes, the plate and mail rattle
Sword raised, you swung in terror the weapon
shattered, the monster roared and awaits
"Warrior true, follow the advice of the masters"

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Matt328    272
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just tell me what CODEING LNG i need thats it ( DOT )

No one here is comfortable doing that, it really requires an informed decision on your part. Say someone tells you to go with C++, and a few thousand hours of development later, your team realizes geez, C# would have been way easier, why are we using C++? Do you really want to tell them its because a stranger on the internet said so?

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Evil Steve    2017
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Original post by iceDeath
why do you take tis as im gonna make this game alone ?
ive said WITH A TEAM - WITH PEOPLE THAT LOT MORE BTTER THEN ME
SO PLZ STOP TELLING ME HOW HARD IT GONNA BE.

just tell me what CODEING LNG i need thats it ( DOT )
If there's going to be people better than you, why not let them decide on the language? People have already told you several times which language to use - whichever you're (or your team is) most comfortable using.

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nobodynews    3126
Quote:
Original post by iceDeath
¬_¬

hm hm.
why do you take tis as im gonna make this game alone ?
ive said WITH A TEAM - WITH PEOPLE THAT LOT MORE BTTER THEN ME
SO PLZ STOP TELLING ME HOW HARD IT GONNA BE.

just tell me what CODEING LNG i need thats it ( DOT )
i dont need other help and i all ready said that im not atotaly beginner
and i know what is HARD WORK.
and i know what is PROBLEMS
so if i would need other help i would just ASK !
SHEEEEASH !

BTW
yes yes thats the point i dont know a shit about programing i talk for other
programer ok ?
i just ask you what CODES DO I NEED FOR THE GAME so he can write them
ITS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND THIS ????
im not the programer
and i dont care if i said im a progamer becuse i dont care about what people
think about me.

Okay, to be actually helpful, people already told you what languages you can use to program. You will not get a better answer than the ones you have so you may as well just stop talking and learn to program already. To reiterate:
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Original post by SimonForsman
Here is a few suggestions:
(in no particular order)
Java
C#
Python
C++
VB.Net
+ a whole bunch of other languages.

You might also want to pick up SQL (for the database). (not necessary but it does simplify things alot)


That's it. We will not tell you what language is best because there isn't one.

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iceDeath    100
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why do you take tis as im gonna make this game alone ?
ive said WITH A TEAM - WITH PEOPLE THAT LOT MORE BTTER THEN ME
SO PLZ STOP TELLING ME HOW HARD IT GONNA BE.

just tell me what CODEING LNG i need thats it ( DOT )
If there's going to be people better than you, why not let them decide on the language? People have already told you several times which language to use - whichever you're (or your team is) most comfortable using.


yes. but i wont say these people are pros
i said alot more better then me
but not you or you or you there.

like they know the basics of codeing in c++
but their not PROS

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Ksingh30    100
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and why you do telling me stuff that i dont need
ive just askd what LNG is better for MMOrpg ?

The fact that you are asking this I think means you are not ready for an MMORPG.
No offense, im sure you could do it eventually, but within 2-3 years is out of the question.

and if you are asking this question for other programmers on your theam, then they are also not ready if they are asking this question.

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iceDeath    100
you think so but you shuld try it and you would see that your gona make it
my brother dont know a shit abut c++ but he just sit on the pc for
accuple of mounts and he build a litle MMO game i wont say it was
a PRO game but any way it was cool.
but still it was more as a mini MOO game.

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