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well ok that dosen''t sound as bad as it did before... but still... the wizard & stuff... ummmm no thank you... I''m about ready to kill that paperclip guy =).... I''m in the process of switching to linux right now... my server is already there... but my work station is going to haveto wait for a while... got alot of generic hardware that linux doesn''t like.... when thats replaced... the switch will be more or less complete... other than a windows partition to dual-boot to to do final testing of my games & run programs that use features that wine hasn''t implemented yet... god I can''t wait =)

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It''s the principle of the thing as much as it is the reality. I''m not going to start (or continue, in the cases of future MS OS''s) paying MS to make products that don''t work for me. They have started to attempt make me pay to have a product that works against me, why should I give into their will?

I''m not just against MS, I''d do the same against any company that did anything like this. I stopped using Napster the day they gave into the RIAA, and that was a much less dramatic event that the features WinXP will have will be.

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I am against this because it starts a disturbing trend towards rented software.

Treating your customers like thieves is not a good thing to do.

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You can change the MAC address of netcard and the CPU IDs of processors. The first is easy, the later is more difficult, but both can be done.

Pentium II''s and later have CPU IDs. So what so they do if you try to install on a Pentium? Or does XP require a 500MHz+ machine?

If I buy a new graphics card do I have to get a new key?

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Intel stopped using the ID in their chips as of the Pentium 4.

I believe that only the Pee3''s have the CPUID.

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Original post by Null and Void

It''s the principle of the thing as much as it is the reality. I''m not going to start (or continue, in the cases of future MS OS''s) paying MS to make products that don''t work for me. They have started to attempt make me pay to have a product that works against me, why should I give into their will?



Did I ask you to buy Windows XP? Buy or download a Linux distribution or some other OS if you don''t like Windows. Encouraging people to boycott a product is much different from simply not buying the product yourself. I''m saying that you shouldn''t encourage people to boycott products that you (and they) do not understand.

Everyone wants to be a prophet of doom.


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Original post by Magmai Kai Holmlor

You can change the MAC address of netcard and the CPU IDs of processors. The first is easy, the later is more difficult, but both can be done.

Pentium II''s and later have CPU IDs. So what so they do if you try to install on a Pentium? Or does XP require a 500MHz+ machine?



I don''t know about the network card, but I thought all CPUs have IDs. Check the program CPUID (it''s at tweakfiles.com), which spits out a formatted display of the processor info registers, right down to the revision of the chip you are running (it''s called a "stepping"). You are confusing this with the "serial number" thingy that Intel marketed a while back (and later dropped), which places a unique number on each processor. The CPU ID Windows wants is the bitset that means "AMD K6-2" or "Intel P55C".

Heck, every PCI device has a product ID and vendor ID. Same with the BIOS. Same with every Plug ''n Play device that Windows detects, including USB devices, CD-ROM drives, PCI/AGP expansion cards, some ISA cards, chipsets, etc. How do you think Plug ''n Play works?

Now, according to the link I posted, what Windows cares about is the variety of configurations on which you use your product key.

product_key == license

If the product key shows up on the database as having been installed on 1000 different hardware configurations, someone is pirating the software. It''s a simple sanity check.

You do not have to obtain a new product key every time you reinstall Windows XP, nor do you have to obtain a new product key every time you upgrade your video card.


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I am against this because it starts a disturbing trend towards rented software.

Treating your customers like thieves is not a good thing to do.



I don''t think you know why you are against it. Do you expect automobile manufacturers to stop putting serial numbers on parts because it might offend some customer who thinks that the car company thinks that he is a thief? And should we drop hand gun licenses and background checks, because that might treat honest citizens like killers? Really...

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Here in germany, value for money is law...
they wont get through with it...
and if they do? what the fuck, im fine
with win2k and (espacially) OpenBSD on my other
partition

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quote:
Original post by Null and Void

[quote]Original post by null_pointer

Buy or download a Linux distribution or some other OS if you don''t like Windows.


I do have Linux installed.



You don''t have to buy it if you don''t want to. null_pointer''s point is that you shouldn''t be telling other people not to buy it as well, especially when your reasons for doing so are not justified.

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Ohhhhhhhhhh
Yeah I was thinking about the unique IDs...
If I need to get a new key every time I switch netcards I''m gonna be pissed.

I''ll have to check the betas to see if they give any insight into how this will work...

They back-peddled on thier new licensing model for citrix severs, I imagine the same will happen with this.

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There is no reason to believe these ''facts'' over the thirty other respectable site''s ''facts'' I have read over the past few months, all of which have different and many times contradictory details. I have completely given up trying to figure out exactly what XP does. I suggest everyone be very skeptical of anything they read on the protection scheme until XP is released.


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quote:
Original post by Null and Void

It''s the principle of the thing as much as it is the reality. I''m not going to start (or continue, in the cases of future MS OS''s) paying MS to make products that don''t work for me. They have started to attempt make me pay to have a product that works against me, why should I give into their will?

I''m not just against MS, I''d do the same against any company that did anything like this. I stopped using Napster the day they gave into the RIAA, and that was a much less dramatic event that the features WinXP will have will be.


I completely agree. Not only is the technology very invasive, but it also paves the way to worst stuff in the future. If you want to roll over people''s rights and dignity, it''s easy to do so, just do it one step at a time. MS know this.

And for the ppl saying WinXP is a good OS, what about the forced cap on mp3 quality, ensuring that MS''s own sound format becomes superior? I even heard on a news site, that eventually only licensed music will be playable thanks to a hardware thingy that will be introduced in new sound cards. This feature i guess will automatically activate in the future, and people will be forced to use a compliant sound card (and be stripped of most of their music) or have no music at all. Once again, this i only read on one site, however it''s not a completely unreputable site either... And afaik, the low mp3 quality is a fact.

So yea, WinXP sucks in all manner of ways. And i hate the idea of having to develop programs compatible with its skin-happy interface...

PS. I stopped using Napster too If you want a good place for mp3s, go to http://forums.somethingawful.com and go to the NMP3H (no mp3s here) forum. They use public ftps to distribute the stuff, so it''s amazingly fast and quality is excellent 99.9% of the time. The rest of the time, it''s good.


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LordElectro:
This is a post about Windows XP Myths...and you''re still perpetuating them.
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what about the forced cap on mp3 quality, ensuring that MS''s own sound format becomes superior?


Ugh...this is people freaking out over nothing. Windows will not include the ability to encode MP3''s over 64kbit. Why? Because the company that owns the MP3 format charges for the encoder and it would raise the cost of Windows by $5-10. It''s the same reason they don''t include a software DVD player.
This isn''t a great attrocity...right now Windows doesn''t come with any mp3 encoding ability.


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quote:
Original post by LordElectro

And for the ppl saying WinXP is a good OS, what about the forced cap on mp3 quality, ensuring that MS's own sound format becomes superior?



What are you using to encode your MP3s now? I would imagine something like AudioCatalyst or whatever. MS has no control over these encoders, and as such, they'll still be able to encode at the full bitrate.


Edited by - dean_harding on April 29, 2001 3:05:49 AM

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