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ziabatsu    122
Hey forum, looking for some experienced advice here. I've never had a drawing tablet, or known anyone who does, I'm old fashioned, using pen, pencil, paints etc. I'm looking into Drawing Tablets now and I need some help finding some of good quality. I don't have a bunch I can spend, probably around a $150-200 limit. My goal with the pad is to draw comic/manga and anime/concept art. If anyone can point me in the right direction I would be very grateful, thanks.

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Jarrod1937    522
look around ebay, and a seller with a good reputation, for a used wacom tablet. Though with $200 you are not going to be able to afford the holy grail of tablets, the Cintiq, you should be able to get a good intuos 2 6x8 tablet for $200 or so.

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SiCrane    11839
Right now the best bang for your buck probably comes in the form of a Wacom Graphire 4x5 USB, which should cost a little less than $100 US. Though depending on your art style, a 4x5 may feel a bit cramped. If there's an Apple store nearby you may be able to find a model on display to play with, though they generally only stock the bluetooth models, which cost an arm, leg and gonad. However, the "feel" of the tablet is about the same between the bluetooth and USB versions.

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Karnot    182
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Though with $200 you are not going to be able to afford the holy grail of tablets, the Cintiq

People say that its too big to be comfortable, and having the LCD display on it actually make it less useful, because you will cover parts of the picture with your hand, which doesnt happen with ordinary tablets, LOL.

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Wacom Bamboo

Warning ! It is known that the first party was defective and emitted a constant audible high-pitched noise. Wacom had to take back up to 20% of them, by some sources. Of course for some people it was their first tablet (also due to its marketing), and they thought it supposed to do that. Wacom says that the next party was fixed, but Bamboo reputation is somewhat damp right now...

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Oluseyi    2103
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People say that [the Cintiq is] too big to be comfortable, and having the LCD display on it actually make it less useful, because you will cover parts of the picture with your hand, which doesnt happen with ordinary tablets, LOL.

Those people are just bitter because they can't afford one, IMO. I used a Cintiq at GDC '07, and I want one, bad. And I already have an Intuos3 6x11.

Good call on the Bamboo! I'd never even heard about it until I looked up Wacom's current entry-level offering. I'd recommend ziabatsu stick to either Graphire or Intuos2/3 for now, instead.

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SiCrane    11839
I have a tablet PC, having gotten it for drawing on it, and never had any problems with fact that the image is underneath my hand. I've also used a Cintiq and didn't have that problem with it either.

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OrangyTang    1298
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People say that [the Cintiq is] too big to be comfortable, and having the LCD display on it actually make it less useful, because you will cover parts of the picture with your hand, which doesnt happen with ordinary tablets, LOL.

Those people are just bitter because they can't afford one, IMO. I used a Cintiq at GDC '07, and I want one, bad. And I already have an Intuos3 6x11.

Oh just get a good tablet pc instead. Cheaper, plus it comes with a pc too. [grin] Sure it's locked to one set of hardware, but since it's at least half the price you could get a shiny new one in a couple of years and you'd still end up cheaper. Possibly not an option is you want to do really high end 3d though.

For some odd reason I can't draw with a separate tablet (can't seem to get the hang of drawing in one place and looking at another) but drawing on a tablet is totally natural. :)

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Oluseyi    2103
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Oh just get a good tablet pc instead.

The digitizer simply isn't sensitive enough. But I'm ambitious that way. [smile] (Plus, it's gadget porn!)

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Possibly not an option if you want to do really high end 3d though.

I want to do really high-end 2D.

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For some odd reason I can't draw with a separate tablet (can't seem to get the hang of drawing in one place and looking at another) but drawing on a tablet is totally natural. :)

Learning to draw while looking elsewhere takes some getting used to. I find that the following two things help:
  1. Look at the cursor as your hand. It takes a little practice, but it becomes natural with time.

  2. Draw with your arm, not your hand. When you're trying to draw with just your hand, the fine movements have very little kinesthetic feedback (the sense or awareness of precisely where your body is), whereas the feedback is much larger when you use your whole arm.


Good luck!

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Trapper Zoid    1370
A few years back I bought a Wacom Graphire 4x5 as a starter tablet to see what they were like, and loved it. I've since bought an Intuos 3 6x8 which I love even more; I think the 6x8 is about the right size for me. The 4x5 Graphire is good for simple sketches and drafts but you need to zoom in a lot for fine detail.

I'd recommend trying some out at a local store if you can (Apple stores around here often have one; I know the local one has an Intuos 6x11 set up) and seeing which one you like.

As for purchasing, the cheapest option for a new tablet is to get the latest Graphire 4x5. It's a bit small but it's not that much more pricey than a good quality wireless mouse, so you can see how you like using a tablet.

If you want something a bit bigger and you can afford it I'd recommend the latest Intuos 6x8. If you qualify for the education pricing you can get a discounted model that doesn't come with some of bundled software. It might however still be outside your price limit though - I think in Australia the education pricing is just over A$300, so it'll probably be somewhere from US$200-250 (I don't know for sure, sorry).

Alternatively you can hunt around on ebay, as the older Intuos models are still good.

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LockePick    707
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People say that its too big to be comfortable, and having the LCD display on it actually make it less useful, because you will cover parts of the picture with your hand, which doesnt happen with ordinary tablets, LOL.

You mean like... paper?

It's possible to take a normal tablet and basically create your own Cintiq with it, but it requires some tinkering. More like "hey look at this whacky thing I did" than a real alternative.

Grabbing an Intuos2 6x8 off of Ebay is a great way to go. You should be able to find one under $150, they work just as good as Intuos3 and better than everything else.

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OrangyTang    1298
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Oh just get a good tablet pc instead.

The digitizer simply isn't sensitive enough. But I'm ambitious that way. [smile] (Plus, it's gadget porn!)

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Possibly not an option if you want to do really high end 3d though.

I want to do really high-end 2D.


Better get saving then. If you get one, post pics so we can all drool over it. [grin]

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Karnot    182
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You mean like... paper?

Exactly. People get so used to seeing the whole picture on the display - its hard to revert back to drawing on the picture itself, or so they say.

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Jarrod1937    522
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You mean like... paper?

Exactly. People get so used to seeing the whole picture on the display - its hard to revert back to drawing on the picture itself, or so they say.

seems like odd reasoning to me, but whatever you say ;-)

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Oluseyi    2103
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Better get saving then. If you get one, post pics so we can all drool over it. [grin]

Oh, I will, but don't hold your breath. There are several purchases ahead of it in the queue (like a 20" iMac Core 2 Duo, and a couple of CS3 apps).

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SiCrane    11839
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Oh just get a good tablet pc instead.

The digitizer simply isn't sensitive enough. But I'm ambitious that way. [smile] (Plus, it's gadget porn!)


Of course, the other thing you need to consider is that tablet PCs can be uncomfortable to use for extended periods of time because of the warmth of the processor -- not something I anticipated when I purchased mine.

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MrGecko    122
My girlfriend bought a Wacom Bamboo Fun a few days ago, and she's very nice (the tablett). Originally I bought for myself a Trust TB-4200 A4 size but it's really to large, A6 are cooler than I had to think.

Warning about Bamboos Fun : Not currently supported on a Linux. But who would to do graphism on a Linux system :) ?



ps: don't hesitate to correct my english ^^.



[Edited by - MrGecko on October 12, 2007 6:56:50 AM]

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GKW    200
I purchased a blue medium bamboo fun last week. $205 with shipping. I don't have a whole lot of experience with the full featured wacoms but this one is quite nice. I hadn't noticed the high pitched whine before reading this thread. I can't hear it unless my head is within a couple inches of the tablet. I thought it was my linksys router. I also discovered that I can't hear the whine out of my left ear. Stupid TMJ.

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