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3fast3furious    138
So I have a dell e1705 with a core 2 duo (1.73 ghz), 2 gigs ram, 120 gb 7200 rpm hd. What linux distribution will actually work for this setup? Fedora 7 live cd crapped out on me and hung and I searched forums and they got it to work with turning one of the cores off and there is no way I'm doing that. I need to learn to use linux (already used ubuntu previously, liked it, but want to try a different one). Why is linux hardware support so shotty when windows works on everything I've ever tried? -hamilton

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coden4fun    100
Well, I would try (even you're going free) I would look into Fedora, and maybe even debian though I haven't tried debian. I have already used Red Hat before they went to the point of selling something is suppose to be open source, and Ubuntu just to see how good this distro was that everybody was talking about.

Ubuntu (Very Good, Very Supportive)
Red Hat (Very Good, Very Supportive, Expensive compared to linux distros)
Fedora (Last time I checked they were very good, and very supportive)

Hope this helps!

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3fast3furious    138
Well yes, I was trying fedora and it will not work without turning off one of the cores or turning off acpi which I'm not going to do. I will pay for a linux distribution if I need to I just want to get it running on my machine.

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SimonForsman    7642
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Why is linux hardware support so shotty when windows works on everything I've ever tried?
-hamilton


Because you are buying hardware that is made for windows. (Linux runs on alot of hardware that windows can't use aswell), basically any computer with a little "Designed for Windows xyz" sticker are just that, Designed for Windows. Either buy a pre-built computer that is atleast certified for one or more linux distributions, or do the necessary research to find out if all components in the machine support linux. (In your case it is probably some problem the acpi bios, it seems like there have been 9 bios updates for the e1705. (thats quite a bunch), nr 8 was considered critical)

if you bought your dell before 2007-04-11 you should most definitly update your bios as your version is older than the A08 update.

A08 here if you want to see what it fixes

latest update here

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3fast3furious    138
Well my laptop designed for windows yes, but I also have a desktop that I decided to keep windows on that I built myself that will also not run Fedora 7 because it too has a core 2 duo. All I want is a linux distribution that I can wipe clean my laptop hard drive with. I don't care about anything specific to the laptop (the media buttons or what not). I will look into commercial distributions.

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Scribbler    120
First off... don't listen to any "it was designed for windows" crud. That's a load of bull. With the exception of a few outdated graphics cards built specifically to work with DirectX. Beyond that... Hardware is pretty much universal.

Don't judge any distro by their "Live CD" simply because they all default to it's simplest of available kernels and kernel modules.

I can't think of any distro who's live cd will take advantage of a dual core. They're built to simply take a cosmetic glance at the distribution, and very rarely reflect the power of the distro itself.

If you want full advantage of a dual core, your 2 best bets would be openSuSE or Fedora (don't be put off by the Fedora live...give the full distro a run). Out of the 5 machines I network in my home, 2 run openSuSE, 2 Fedora, and one I maintain Gentoo. In addition my two laptops run Mint and PClinuxOS (although I'm very close to dumping PCLinuxOS for SuSE).

I testdrive many distros on my non production machines, and update my production machines based on performance. SuSE and Fedora are the most reliable when it comes to keeping up with hardware. However between those two, I maintain bleeding edge on my SuSE machines because the contributions from SuSE/Novell is bested by nobody, and Fedora maintains a stable system, albeit a bit slow to upgrade (that's a compliment, not a deteriment).

In a nutshell, my fedora machines can simply upgrade from previous releases reliably, whereas my SuSE machines will require a fresh clean install every 2 or 3 releases (I really do prefer SuSE, however I'm also somebody who doesn't mind poking with my systems).

Debian/Ubuntu can bite me though. While they are reliable distros, they ride the coattails of other distros and get all the attention.

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c0uchm0nster    182
Everyone's recommending an rpm based distro... that's fine I suppose, although I still have bad memories of RPM HELL from a number of years ago... I use gentoo and ubuntu.

If you want to know all the ins and outs of your setup and spend lots of time tweaking go for gentoo... if you want something easy try opensuse or ubuntu

my laptop:

Dell e1705 2gb ram core 2 duo 2ghz nvidia geforce 7900go intel 3945 wireless all worked out of the box with ubuntu/kubuntu feisty (the latest stable version) - even sleep/standby works! only thing i'm struggling with is hibernate (which i don't care much about) and the computer doesn't boot when i have my ipod plugged in (although this seems like a hardware thing not a linux thing, as it doesn't appear to even do POST).

Getting core 2 duos to work is usually just a matter of having a recent enough kernel (2.6.20 is plenty recent for this), and this can be done with any distro depending on how much work ad how much customization you want... as some others have hinted linux has fine hardware support, in fact it supports more hardware than windows does (by far) - the places it's lacking are laptop related stuff and wireless (although the wireless support is getting very good very quickly).

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3fast3furious    138
Well I finally got openSuse 10.3 to install onto my laptop. But after hours and hours of googling and trying different things I couldn't get it to connect to my wireless network (I have the broadcom bcm94311 card), thus not being able to update my graphics drivers so it is still in 800 X 600. I tried to install ubuntu 7.0.4 and it gave me a ton of errors and so now I'm just going to re-install windows, the only operating system that I've never had any problems with.

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3fast3furious    138
Well I finally got openSuse 10.3 to install onto my laptop. But after hours and hours of googling and trying different things I couldn't get it to connect to my wireless network (I have the broadcom bcm94311 card), thus not being able to update my graphics drivers so it is still in 800 X 600. I tried to install ubuntu 7.0.4 and it gave me a ton of errors and so now I'm just going to re-install windows, the only operating system that I've never had any problems with.

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eedok    982
At this point all I can say is bring your PC to your next local installfest, if you want a fully functioning linux, it'll be your only hope.

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Oluseyi    2103
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Why is linux hardware support so shotty when windows works on everything I've ever tried?

Mostly because the hardware vendors supply drivers for Windows, but not for Linux. Why do they supply Windows drivers? Because Windows represents the majority of the market for most devices, so ensuring that their devices work perfectly with Windows is more important (and profitable). For select devices that have much larger relative Linux audiences, the vendors provide first-class kernel modules themselves.

Before you try another distro, itemize all the hardware that you have and check how well supported they are under Linux. Of particular support are your network adapter and graphics card. Based on how stable the drivers are, and how long it's been out there, you can gauge how well your machine will be supported.

Happy hacking.

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Sander    1332
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they got it to work with turning one of the cores off and there is no way I'm doing that


Got what to work? The Live CD or the full install? I can't really imagine Fedora not being able to run on a Cure Duo. Most likely it's just the Live CD that doesn't work with it. Just turn off one core, install from the lice CD, update to an appropriate core duo supported kernel and turn your second core back on.

PS: I have a code duo laptop and Debian Etch does just fine with it.

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3fast3furious    138
Well I almost gave up with openSuse 10.3, but I finally (after all day of googling) got my computer connected to the internet. Now I just need to figure out how to install the correct ati drivers (mobility x1400) but the tutorials I have read so far look a little over my head since I am only a beginner linux user. http://linux.wordpress.com/2007/10/11/opensuse-103-amdati-drivers-installation/ Is it really that tough to install drivers? eek

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daviangel    604
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Well I almost gave up with openSuse 10.3, but I finally (after all day of googling) got my computer connected to the internet. Now I just need to figure out how to install the correct ati drivers (mobility x1400) but the tutorials I have read so far look a little over my head since I am only a beginner linux user. http://linux.wordpress.com/2007/10/11/opensuse-103-amdati-drivers-installation/ Is it really that tough to install drivers? eek

It shouldn't be all that tought to install video drivers under Linux these days since nvidia/ati provide binary drivers nowadays.
Now when I first started messing with different distros like redhat 5.0 and Suse 6.0 back in the day you had to spend hours figuring out how to get xwindows working by downloading the kernel source and compiling raw source with ./configure, make, make install ,etc and then manually editing your Xconfig file blah blah blah.
But yeah I had some dejavu with all that nitemare trying to get wireless to work under several flavors of Linux so the problems with wireless are well known if you don't stick with chipsets that are supported and known to work already.
I did get my wireless linksys/netgear usb stick to work under 64bit Ubuntu after much work and I couldn't even tell you how to do if I tried since I wouldn't had to write down everything I tried/did to remember how I did it!
Oh and I had to disable WPA on my wireless router to do it too.

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