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Quote:Original post by Captain_Thunder
Actually, since he made his millions by running a startup company...

He made his millions by selling his startup to another company. Typically, the sale price is a massive overvaluation of current state, and is instead based on projected potential (see YouTube).

capn_midnight's criticism has merit. Debatable conclusions, but meritorious arguments.

My biggest problem with him is that he actually *believes* this bullshit over "web 2.0" and AJAX being a new idea. I'm sorry, but I was doing that shit in '97 well before we ever had XmlHTTPRequest; it was just one of the many ways to misuse frames. It's because of guys like this that I have clients asking me to make web apps behave like desktop apps. Sure, it can be done, with a lot of freaking useless effort. It takes less effort to make a desktop app web-enabled than it does to make a web app look like a desktop app. I'm sick and tired of coding these damn hacks to make text boxes validate against the database before the page posts, or disabling alt+f4 on a page (NO! I won't do it! I refuse!).

My "favorite" line from the article I linked is "[Apple's] victory is so complete that I'm now surprised when I come across a computer running Windows." Crawl out from under your rock sometime soon, plzkthxbai? Windows is stronger now than ever. With .NET and all that it encompasses, companies are SCRAMBLING for .NET developers like you would not believe. The US Army does all of its new applications in .NET. The Department of Homeland Security does as well. Across the nation, major industries that I am bound by contract not to mention their names are pushing all of their work to .NET. On more than one occasion, it has been .NET alone (well, and Visual Studio) that has kept me coming back to Windows.

He is so blind to the facts that he has to invent his own little story world in order to make any sense out of life. Apple, taking over the computing industry, HAH! Even Linux has a bigger marketshare than Apple right now. If that's all it takes to declare MS dead, than LiveLink killed YouTube several years ago.

Nah, seems like what I excepted it to be ie. utterly boring. Arc always seemed to me as something only PG fanbois and people outside the "lisp community" were excited about.

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So we're giving notice in advance that we're going to keep acting as if we were the only users.

Good luck with that.


Chance are, you are going to be the only users.

Quote:Original post by Zahlman
having irregular, predefined syntax is actually an advantage for human readability in the general (i.e. not domain-specific) case

Arc is an experiment in a sort of minimalist philosophy that explicitly eschews readability as a relevant design parameter.

It is, at the very least, interesting to watch.

Quote:Original post by GnuVince
Like many mentioned before, it doesn't bring anything new, except maybe that sequences are callable to make indexing easier.

There are many minor innovations in Arc. The only radical novelty I've found in it is the extreme simplicity of web code. Read blog.arc and srv.arc to see what I mean.

If you've set up Arc, a "Hello World" webapp can be written as follows:

(defop hello req (pr "hello world"))(asv)

Then navigate to http://localhost:8080/hello.

Quote:Original post by Tron3k

Quote:Original post by GnuVince
Like many mentioned before, it doesn't bring anything new, except maybe that sequences are callable to make indexing easier.

There are many minor innovations in Arc. The only radical novelty I've found in it is the extreme simplicity of web code. Read blog.arc and srv.arc to see what I mean.

If you've set up Arc, a "Hello World" webapp can be written as follows:

(defop hello req (pr "hello world"))(asv)

Then navigate to http://localhost:8080/hello.

yes, because "Hello World" is such a great demo.