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I'm interested in discussing a few aspects of LCD monitors. I currently have a pair of Samsung 17" LCDs, which I find to be pretty good (Samsung 740Ns, I believe). I'm considering upgrading my entire system at the end of this year (or thereabouts), and am considering upgrading my monitors as well. I'm thinking that I'd like to go to a pair of 24" LCDs. Now from what I've been reading, there seem to be a few types of LCD monitors, the most commong being TN based panels. TN panels have the advantage that they are generally quite cheap (when compared to the other kinds), but supposedly don't have nearly the same color representation (eg: not showing full 24 bit color, but having to use things like dithering to do so). Now here's where I am curious - is it really worth paying the extra and getting an LCD monitor that isn't a TN panel? Is the difference really that noticeable? For what it's worth, at work I use a 20" for my center monitor and two 19" - one on each side (all Samsung monitors as well).

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I can offer you a bit of insight into the current technologies and what to look for. The tricky part is in what you want versus the price. The 24" arena isn't that great right now, although new revisions of Dell's 2408FPW are out now and that is a decent monitor after Dell's updates were made to it.

Initial keynote differences between "Input Lag", "Response Time", and "Latency" for monitors and other LCD displays:


"Input lag is a phenomenon associated with some types of LCD displays, and nearly all types of HDTVs, that refers to latency, or lag measured by the difference between the time a signal is input into a display and the time it is shown by the display.

This lag time has been measured as high as 68ms, or the equivalent of 3-4 frames on a 60 Hz display. Currently, the only TFT panels known to have this phenomenon are so-called overdrive panels. These include S-PVA, S-MVA, and Overdrive-TN panels. S-PVA have been observed to suffer from greater input lag than P-MVA panels, while IPS, S-IPS and AS-IPS panels are not or only minimally affected."


"Response time is the amount of time a pixel in an LCD monitor takes to go from black to white and back to black again. It is measured in milliseconds (ms). Lower numbers mean faster transitions and therefore fewer visible image artifacts."


"LCD screens with a high response time value often do not give satisfactory experience when viewing fast moving images (They often leave streaks or blur; called Ghosting).

But an LCD screen with high response time AND significant input lag is unsuitable for playing fast paced computer games or performing fast high accuracy operations on the screen (e.g. CAD design) due to the mouse lagging behind. Manufacturers only state the response time of their displays and do not inform customers of the input lag value."

Both of these factors together are often referred to as "Latency".

Until recently these problems were extremely apparent, especially in your typical desktop LCD. They would suffer from either a larger Response Time or a higher Input Lag (but often not both as discussed below).


The negative about many of today's panels is the trend towards more complex inputs that requires increased complexity in a panel's circuitry. This is where higher input lag is still apparent in several PVA/MVA panels (which are considered a mid-range performance product) when monitors introduce technologies like DisplayPort.

In positive contrast, most of these panels today have response times well within the acceptable levels of human vision (4ms and below is indiscernible due to the limits of the human eye's nerve impulse speed to the visual cortex).

This is especially true of "TN (Twisted Nematic) panels that offer lower quality overall, more basic "features" such as stand height/swivel adjustments, but at a lower price range as well. Their major advantage beyond price is 5, 4, or even 2ms response times (gray-to-gray).

What I've noticed in the industry recently is a shift towards these "cheaper quality" panels to help continue bringing down the price for the average panel in a series. Unfortunately, manufacturers are thus reducing or even eliminating PVA/MVA, and in some cases the higher-end S-IPS displays from lines that once were prominent mainstream products.

I've also heard about some real quality control issues in the industry recently, some panels that have potential but the monitor manufacturers alter them too much and ruin the overall display. Color banding, back-light non-uniformity, color "stains", poor OCD controls, and even monitors are there physically tilted when placed on a flat desk are just some of the reported problems. Sometimes I think people like to whine, while sometimes these are truly common problems that are to be of a concern when purchasing a monitor in question. I'm still not sure what to get after exploring today's marketplace (in the reasonable sub-1,000 range). On the flip-side I've also seen some great monitors (if you're willing to pay the price, especially for S-IPS panels).

Those desktop LCDs to watch for extremely high Input Lag are currently the Dell 2408WFP (Rev. A01 just came out which may help) and Samsung 245T (same panel).

Those to watch for TN technology but may not necessarily state TN are monitors that have a lower viewing angle of either 160 or 170 degrees. Those that are 176 "full" viewing angle displays are either PVA/MVA/S-IPS. Reported response times of 2, 4, or 5 can also be indicators of TN technology use.


I think a lot of this is "subjective" though, as the main monitor I am currently using is a SyncMaster 205BW, and while it is a TN display it really doesn't bother me. Yes, I can notice the common TN issues if I look for them, and a potential lack in color depth compared to my Dell laptop's display, but otherwise it isn't that big of a deal. Your experiences may also differ depending on its use (PC vs. Console, TV vs. Desktop, etc.).

On another personal note I do recall experiencing poor "Input Lag" on my old wireless mice. That was extremely annoying even when I was running typical desktop applications. While I couldn't see the actual lag, I could "feel it", so I know the effect is there in certain cases with these monitors.

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Mathew, thanks for that amazing reply.

The particular monitor (or a pair) I am currently lookng at is this. I tried digging around for reviews, but there aren't many. It seems like it could be pretty decent, especially at that price.

Anyone have any thoughts? I've used Dell LCD monitors in the past (at school) and they seemed decent enough.

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Something I've discovered is that the Dell monitor I mentioned only has a vertical resolution of 1080, while other 24" monitors I've seen have a vertical resolution of 1200. I can understand why having a "true" 1920x1080 could be a good thing (eg: no scaling/letterboxing on 1080 inputs), but would it really be worth paying a little more for the extra vertical resolution?

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