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Indie Games site Banner Exchange

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A few of us (in another thread) have been toying with the idea of a banner excahnge system for Indie games websites. We now have a system set up and we are in the process of collecting members, their URLS and their banners. We are planning on all members showing one banner on their site, within the first 600 pixels of their main page, with the banners standard size (468 by 60). I think its sensible to have a 20k limit on the banner size. What we want are websites that: a) Are good quality, look professional, no script errors or spelling mistakes b) Are from a proper domain, not a geocities site or similar c) Have actual finished games, either downloadable from that site or with links to download sites, complete with screenshots d) Have good quality games, shareware,freeware or normal retail, not ''first-attempt'' space invaders or Tetris clones. I know that banner ads arent exactly going to transform everyones sales, but personally I feel they stop your site looking like a ''dead-end'' if you have links to similar sites. Please only post here if your site meets the above criteria, no sense in telling us your game "will be finished in six months". Thanks http://www.positech.co.uk

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i tried clicking on the banner link on
your site and got an error 404..Page Cannot be found.
it was looking for script9999.html

other than that your site does meet your own criteria...

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There isn''t really a site with a demo banner or anything, but it''s juts a normal sized banner. Go to cliff''s site (http://www.positech.co.uk) and you''ll see a banner, it''ll be that size with random rotations and all that, with monthly stats on views/click-throughs too. Just so you know I''m the one with the server hosting the script, not just some random guy telling you about it .

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Cliffski I think you are a bit ignorant and arrogant. When I said to you in the other thread that I would post a link to your site you didn''t even thank me but instead insult me by basically saying my site isn''t up to your standards. Now whilst I only have one pretty crappy chess program for sale at the moment, I also have another project which has been released which has more hits then your entire site and its only been up since December. Not only that but my next game which will be of considerable quality is coming out next month.
Now you can act all high and mighty about YOUR standards but I think that the people that need the most help in regard to hits are the sites just starting out that don''t have much recognition. They must look somewhat promising though as I''m not saying I personally will be linking to every game developers site under the sun, but there are a few sites which don''t look all too good but have some good projects and low hits. I think I would rather link to someone who only gets 10 hits per day but is kind, then someone like yourself who seems to be worried more about himself then others.
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Well, well. You have to see that cliffsky - as far as I know - is trying or needs to live from what he gets from his games. I think most others - including me - are doing it as a hobby, although I try to get the most money possible out of it too.

While far away from wanting to say my game is one of the best, it is one of the few actually making money ONLINE and without any publisher. This means I have done something right and puts me in a position that I can choose between different options.

What I wanted originally was a personal banner exchange with cliffsky and some others I e-mailed. Whether I join this banner rotation depends on the people and their websites.

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Jester, what game is this you are talking about? Details, url, etc . I think the best way you can guarentee making money from selling games online is actually making the game extremely fun. Word of mouth for good games is great, one example of this is that Bridge Builder game. That guy could have made money just from that version he gave to the public and the amount of websites set up by fans for it is amazing. Just my 2 cents .
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Im sorry you think I am ignorant or arrogant, but you act as though I have just stormed into your house and insulted your family! All I have done is indicate that I would like to start a banner exchange with similar developers. That dosen''t have to include you, and if you arent interested fine, feel free to set up a system of your own.
If you look at indie games websites, i would say 90% of them are badly done, poorly maintained and have no playable finished games that people will actually buy. This is the nature of hobby games development, 95% of hobby games get abandoned without ever getting finished.
I''m not referring to your site, and never have done, and I am more than happy for people to keep on setting up websites for games in development, and to basically do whatever they want.
This is a classic case of people bickering amongst themselves who should be sticking together. Indie developers need to help each other out if they are to compete with the big boys. That might mean banenr exchanges, posting advice to the gamedev boards, or other stuff.
Its sad that when someone on here tries to be constructive and implies that we (as indie developers) should strive to have good quality finished games and good websites, people just take it as an insult.
Oh well


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>>Im sorry you think I am ignorant or arrogant, but you act as though I have just stormed into your house and insulted your family!
That wasnt you?


>>All I have done is indicate that I would like to start a banner exchange with similar developers. That dosen''t have to include you, and if you arent interested fine, feel free to set up a system of your own.
Well I think you basically said my site wasn''t up to your standards

>>If you look at indie games websites, i would say 90% of them are badly done, poorly maintained and have no playable finished games that people will actually buy. This is the nature of hobby games development, 95% of hobby games get abandoned without ever getting finished.

Somewhat true I agree, most people just like the initial puppy love of a project. But in some cases there''s other issues like time, money, etc.

>>I''m not referring to your site, and never have done

Well you did in a round about sorta way.

>>This is a classic case of people bickering amongst themselves who should be sticking together. Indie developers need to help each other out if they are to compete with the big boys. That might mean banenr exchanges, posting advice to the gamedev boards, or other stuff.

I normally don''t like to bicker, but when you offer to link to someone''s page and do a favour for them and they dont return thanks but instead talk about site standards..... well you know.


>>Its sad that when someone on here tries to be constructive and implies that we (as indie developers) should strive to have good quality finished games and good websites, people just take it as an insult.

Of course we can look at it as US against the big boys. But really among ourselves as shareware developers there are different leagues. Just like how you and jester have these high standards, there is probably another group of people with not as high profile games/site who are saying "I want to compete with them" referring to you guys. Really if there is shareware people to be helped, they should be helped. I''m all for making money for yourselves and all, and living off your earnings, but just remember there are other people who will need to be helped, and how can people say they wont help others when they have needed help to get where they are today?
The point of all this is, dont forget how you got where you are today, try and make some money for yourselves and dont forget to brush your teeth before you goto bed.
Some advice for getting hits. Instead of relying on other sites to push people to you, make your site pull people. One way of doing this is to have constant updates, message boards, etc. I might be Australian, but that doesn''t mean I don''t eat canned tuna.
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>>Im sorry you think I am ignorant or arrogant, but you act as though I have just stormed into your house and insulted your family!
That wasnt you?


>>All I have done is indicate that I would like to start a banner exchange with similar developers. That dosen''t have to include you, and if you arent interested fine, feel free to set up a system of your own.
Well I think you basically said my site wasn''t up to your standards

>>If you look at indie games websites, i would say 90% of them are badly done, poorly maintained and have no playable finished games that people will actually buy. This is the nature of hobby games development, 95% of hobby games get abandoned without ever getting finished.

Somewhat true I agree, most people just like the initial puppy love of a project. But in some cases there''s other issues like time, money, etc.

>>I''m not referring to your site, and never have done

Well you did in a round about sorta way.

>>This is a classic case of people bickering amongst themselves who should be sticking together. Indie developers need to help each other out if they are to compete with the big boys. That might mean banenr exchanges, posting advice to the gamedev boards, or other stuff.

I normally don''t like to bicker, but when you offer to link to someone''s page and do a favour for them and they dont return thanks but instead talk about site standards..... well you know.


>>Its sad that when someone on here tries to be constructive and implies that we (as indie developers) should strive to have good quality finished games and good websites, people just take it as an insult.

Of course we can look at it as US against the big boys. But really among ourselves as shareware developers there are different leagues. Just like how you and jester have these high standards, there is probably another group of people with not as high profile games/site who are saying "I want to compete with them" referring to you guys. Really if there is shareware people to be helped, they should be helped. I''m all for making money for yourselves and all, and living off your earnings, but just remember there are other people who will need to be helped, and how can people say they wont help others when they have needed help to get where they are today?
The point of all this is, dont forget how you got where you are today, try and make some money for yourselves and dont forget to brush your teeth before you goto bed.
Some advice for getting hits. Instead of relying on other sites to push people to you, make your site pull people. One way of doing this is to have constant updates, message boards, etc. I might be Australian, but that doesn''t mean I don''t eat canned tuna.
-Jason Starr-






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Ok. I''ll give it a try. Count me in.

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E-mail: contact@nbsd.de

Btw. I am still looking for a second artist or a Windows CE programmer.

Take care,
Niels

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