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Any one else tried this with Virtual PC.

Since I haven't used Virtualbox, does it make a huge file for the whole file system, or does it add to it.

I looked at VMWare, but only the player is free, is that correct. Is it true that you need to buy it to make your own virtual environments? If that's the case, then is the an Ubuntu 8.10 out there for free?

Sorry for all the silly question, but you gotta start somewhere, and when it comes to forums, Gamedev is the best.

Thanks again.

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Virtualbox gives you the choice of using a dynamic or static file for the virtual hard-drive. Each operating system has some default settings in virtualbox for the size of the RAM and HD (of course you can change them). Hope this helps.

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Well.... You can try Ubuntu without screwing the system even when you have already installed WinXP or WinVista.
It should be a piece of cake. However if you say you're too newbie and you care about losing important information, here goes a little help with Virtualbox

VirtualBox behaves much like a whole PC. You set up a CD ROM drive (which can be either your real CD ROM drive or an ISO file) and then you set to boot up from it (in order to get to the Ubuntu installer)

As for the Hard Drive, you can use a real disk partition (NOT recommended, you can screw your system more easily by doing this than by installing Ubuntu natively)
Or you can use a disk image: static or dynamic.
Static images are fixed in size. It's a whole file in your HDD with i.e. 10GB and the emulated OS will see that as the only HDD present.
Dynamic images are pretty much the same thing, however they can grow. If you're out of emulated HDD space, VirtualBox increases the size of that file. Note however, that this may affect your true HDDs space and you may run out of free storage quickly, not to mention that may increase the real File System fragmentation.

As for internet connection, VirtualBox allows setting your own virtual Ethernet card which will connect to the real system connection. That way you can share data between the real OS and the emulated one

Shame though, because VirtualBox & Co won't offer much video acceleration (I think there are some linux video drivers specially designed for VirtualBox) and the most awesome kick-ass feature is Compiz-Fusion (which you need 3D acceleration) IMHO

Hope this helps
Cheers
Dark Sylinc

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Thanks everybody for your comments. I am not trying out Ubuntu for the first time. I am using it at work, and I wanted to be able to use it at home also. There are many times when I could use the extra weekend time to figure out how to compile libraries, install services, stuff like that.

My home computer, however, is the whole families game machine. I didn't want to try adding a dual boot, because I've had that go wrong before, and I think if I killed my kids Sims 2 games, they would not be happy. Plus, I don't want to reinstall the 10 expansion packs.

Anyway, I digress. I thought if I could run Ubuntu in some kind of Virtual platform, it would be really easy to just delete the file and practice installing and configuring a development environment.

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I installed Ubuntu 8.10 a month ago and I have to admit it is the best system I have used. Simply the best. I just simply installed mine on another hard drive and dual booted it from there. I was going to partition the drive, but thought it would be better to just have dedicated hard drives for both my windows and ubuntu (my mate tried partition the drive before, and he had serious problems). On a virtual PC, or liveCD it just isnt the same as Ubuntu takes advantage of the accelerated power of your PC (seriously fast compared to my windows!). I admit now I rarely use windows and strictly only on Ubuntu. Developing on it is super as the libraries are easy to install. The only problem is the lack of a decent IDE.

Got to say I agree with Matias comment about Compiz fusion. If you have 3D hardware accelerated graphics card, you will see as Compiz is a brilliant piece of eye candy and runs fast.

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Original post by Glass_Knife
Any one else tried this with Virtual PC.

Since I haven't used Virtualbox, does it make a huge file for the whole file system, or does it add to it.

I looked at VMWare, but only the player is free, is that correct. Is it true that you need to buy it to make your own virtual environments? If that's the case, then is the an Ubuntu 8.10 out there for free?

Sorry for all the silly question, but you gotta start somewhere, and when it comes to forums, Gamedev is the best.

Thanks again.

Yeah I tried it with on and off with Ubuntu but it's hit or miss with VirtualPC(will usually get a black screen during install unless you use some command line hacks) so I've switched to VirtualBox which seems to work alot better with Linux distro's and is updated alot more often than virtualpc.
Save yourself some grief and use latest VirtualBox which I know works with Ubuntu since that's what I"m using whenever I have to do something with Ubuntu.
Here someone actually took step-by-step screenshots on how easy it is so you'll see what a nobrainer it is to do and you'll wonder why you never bothered before since it's just like installing any other program.
And if your cpu used hardware virtualization it will run just about as fast as if you took the time to do a proper dualboot. The only things that will be missing will be 3D acceleration and networking is a pain to get right.

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I would reccomend trying Ubuntu as live CD it is the easiest way.


I agree, if you're only trying it out, this would be a truly easy option.

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I know this is quite a few posts up but it may still be helpful.

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I looked at VMWare, but only the player is free, is that correct. Is it true that you need to buy it to make your own virtual environments? If that's the case, then is the an Ubuntu 8.10 out there for free?
VMWare server is a much better product than their player. I think it makes more sense as well, create a virtual machine, boot it, install what ever you want.

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Basic directions for VirtualBox:

  1. Start Virtualbox

  2. Click 'New' to make a new vm

  3. Give it a name and choose Ubuntu from the OS type menu

  4. Choose the base memory size. This depends on how much you have on your host machine. If you have a gig or more, I'd recommend 512 megs. You can change this later (just like with a real PC).

  5. Next create a hard disk. Virtualbox uses a very large file as the hard disk for you vm. You can use a fixed size or dynamic hard drive. A dynamic one will resize to as large as you need, but is a bit slower.

  6. Finish creating the vm.

  7. Select your new vm from the menu.

  8. Click settings

  9. Under CD/DVD, check the 'mount cd drive' option.

  10. Click the Radio button for using an Iso image and select you Ubuntu CD Iso

  11. Click OK and then power on the VM.

  12. You should now be greeted by the Ubuntu installer.

  13. After installing, unmount the CD drive so that you don't just go back to the Live CD



You should now be all setup.

HTH

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