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Greetings, It gives me pleasure to FINALLY make this long awaited announcement! For the longest time. I've been trying to resurrect my own hosting service that was for a long time in a sort of "half done/half dead" state. After months of careful planning & testing. I give you, "PhyerNet"! http://www.phyer.net This is a web hosting service geared towards what we call "Creative Minds"! Other than just being a place to stick your wares. PhyerNet is also an online community. Where you can meet n' greet other artistic souls. So, if you get the chance. Swing on through and check it out! If anyone is interested. Feel free to ask me anything. Feel skeptical? Once again, feel free to go ahead and ask me anything.;) A couple of things to note: 1- The service is always in a "developmental" state regarding certain areas. But not enough to hinder it from being used. 2- This is NOT an open challenge to any other art community. All, we're bringing to the table is an "alternative" to whats already out there. No different than either wanting turkey OR ham. Thank You Phyerboss edit: My apologies. I posted this and neglected to post a "title". [Edited by - PhyerBoss on December 27, 2008 3:21:16 PM]

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Visual Mind, Written Mind, Logical Mind, Sound Mind
That last should really be 'Aural Mind' - sound as an adjective is the opposite of infirm [smile]

I am a little concerned (for your sake) that you are charging for storage, rather than bandwidth. Storage is ridiculously cheap these days, but bandwidth overages can add up fast - I speak from unpleasant experience.

Also, since you are primarily targeting artists (i.e. non-programmers), have you considered pre-installing any software to help them get a website off the ground faster and with less programming? A default installation of something like WordPress, or CMS Made Simple would let them publish a website in no time, without writing a line of code.

[Edited by - swiftcoder on December 27, 2008 3:20:05 PM]

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Visual Mind, Written Mind, Logical Mind, Sound Mind
That last should really be 'Aural Mind' - sound as an adjective is the opposite of infirm [smile]

>Heh, yeah we thought about that. But to be honest its fine as is.

I am a little concerned (for your sake) that you are charging for storage, rather than bandwidth. Storage is ridiculously cheap these days, but bandwidth overages can add up fast - I speak from unpleasant experience.

Bandwidth is'nt an issue for us. Not as much as disk space. It was decided that charging for space and features would be more logical. Then again I am speaking based off our own experience.

Also, since you are primarily targeting artists (i.e. non-programmers), have you considered pre-installing any software to help them get a website off the ground faster and with less programming? A default installation of something like WordPress, or CMS Made Simple would let them publish a website in no time, without writing a line of code.


Uh, did you READ all of that? Im just wondering because you misunderstood something. This service caters to ALL forms of creativity. Its underlined clearly. I guess its a thing that when folks think "art" they automatically target illustration, painting or music.

No, we accept ALL forms of creative thinking. And we even deem things such as programming a "creative process".

As for anything similar to "wordpress" we are fine with what we have. But thank you for the suggestions.

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I am a little concerned (for your sake) that you are charging for storage, rather than bandwidth. Storage is ridiculously cheap these days, but bandwidth overages can add up fast - I speak from unpleasant experience.
Bandwidth is'nt an issue for us. Not as much as disk space. It was decided that charging for space and features would be more logical. Then again I am speaking based off our own experience.
Just be sure that your calculations are correct - with a gigabyte of storage space, it isn't hard to use a terrabyte of bandwidth (particularly with video).

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Also, since you are primarily targeting artists (i.e. non-programmers), have you considered pre-installing any software to help them get a website off the ground faster and with less programming? A default installation of something like WordPress, or CMS Made Simple would let them publish a website in no time, without writing a line of code.
Uh, did you READ all of that? Im just wondering because you misunderstood something. This service caters to ALL forms of creativity. Its underlined clearly. I guess its a thing that when folks think "art" they automatically target illustration, painting or music.

No, we accept ALL forms of creative thinking. And we even deem things such as programming a "creative process".
I am with you there, but just as I have no talent at composing music, or modelling/animation, many of the composers, modellers and animators I am acquainted with, have no talent at coding websites. What use is a bunch of storage if they don't have the necessary skills to leverage it? Or more to the point, why will they pick your service over another that offers tools for the non-programmer (wordpress, google sites, etc.)?

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Just be sure that your calculations are correct - with a gigabyte of storage space, it isn't hard to use a terrabyte of bandwidth (particularly with video).

>I know what you mean. But as stated before: "That issue does not effect us".


I am with you there, but just as I have no talent at composing music, or modelling/animation, many of the composers, modellers and animators I am acquainted with, have no talent at coding websites. What use is a bunch of storage if they don't have the necessary skills to leverage it? Or more to the point, why will they pick your service over another that offers tools for the non-programmer (wordpress, google sites, etc.)?[/quote]

>Well, see thats the "issue" we have here. You kinda made an "assumption" that we DIDN'T have any sort of setup for folks like this. After all, I am an illustrator as well. So, I know what you're getting at. As my html skills are pretty weak too. Just like many others. But, as I mentioned: we have something for them. So, this is not something that was merely "overlooked". It was planned for.

Honestly, swift...

I know you mean well and its pretty good that you seemed "concerned" to share any information/ideas you have. But, this is coming to a point of where you are making "assumptions" on things without at least considering that "hmm, maybe these guys are running it this way for a reason" or "maybe they been at this for a few years & are not strangers to it". Well, no harm was meant or done. Im just a bit bothered that you didn't at least consider those things before posting the comments you have.

It is as if you already KNEW how we were baking bread. Yet, never even stepped foot in the facility.

In any case like this, personally I'd PM'd the person in question just to be sure. After all, this was an "announcement posting", Not a c+c thread. So, ideas & suggestions were not sought after. Just the idea of putting the word out. But, this does not mean I dont care for ideas & suggestions. It just means that I am particular about which ones to deal with. "What works for some does not work for all" should come to mind.

And last, theres a time & place for everything. This post was not intended as such. Thats why I mentioned in the original post. If anyone has any questions(which included comments*) to just contact me. For this way they would have actual answers before having to fall back on assumptions.

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>Well, see thats the "issue" we have here. You kinda made an "assumption" that we DIDN'T have any sort of setup for folks like this. After all, I am an illustrator as well. So, I know what you're getting at. As my html skills are pretty weak too. Just like many others. But, as I mentioned: we have something for them. So, this is not something that was merely "overlooked". It was planned for.
No, I made no assumptions. Instead, I carefully read all the information available on your site, and saw no mention whatsoever of any such provisions. If nobody knows that the services are there, what good are they?

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Honestly, swift...

I know you mean well and its pretty good that you seemed "concerned" to share any information/ideas you have. But, this is coming to a point of where you are making "assumptions" on things without at least considering that "hmm, maybe these guys are running it this way for a reason" or "maybe they been at this for a few years & are not strangers to it". Well, no harm was meant or done. Im just a bit bothered that you didn't at least consider those things before posting the comments you have.

It is as if you already KNEW how we were baking bread. Yet, never even stepped foot in the facility.

In any case like this, personally I'd PM'd the person in question just to be sure. After all, this was an "announcement posting", Not a c+c thread. So, ideas & suggestions were not sought after. Just the idea of putting the word out. But, this does not mean I dont care for ideas & suggestions. It just means that I am particular about which ones to deal with. "What works for some does not work for all" should come to mind.

And last, theres a time & place for everything. This post was not intended as such. Thats why I mentioned in the original post. If anyone has any questions(which included comments*) to just contact me. For this way they would have actual answers before having to fall back on assumptions.
That is more than a little impolite, so in order:

I made no assumptions, merely read the information provided.
There is no need to overreact to a bit of friendly advice.
This is a discussion forum, so by posting an announcement you invite discussion, and using PMs defeats the purpose, when others may appreciate the results of said discussion.
You invited any and all questions, in your opening post.

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I made no assumptions, merely read the information provided.
There is no need to overreact to a bit of friendly advice.
This is a discussion forum, so by posting an announcement you invite discussion, and using PMs defeats the purpose, when others may appreciate the results of said discussion.
You invited any and all questions, in your opening post.

>Swift, Im just gonna suggest that we both back up and go back to our corners. As I stated I knew you meant no harm. None was taken. But we could go back & forth over who's right who's wrong and whether your advice applies to me or not. I told you I appreciated it, a few posts back. It should have ended there. Not erupted into a "near-flame".

So, I am ending it at this point. "We agree to disagree". Point blank. Your advice and concerns ARE seriously appreciated. But just because I claim I dont need the advice. It does not mean I am taking offense or rubbing it into dirt. Im merely correcting you on the comment made:

"What use is a bunch of storage if they don't have the necessary skills to leverage it? Or more to the point, why will they pick your service over another that offers tools for the non-programmer (wordpress, google sites, etc.)?"

Take a step back and relax. Do you not felt that maybe you might have overstepped your bounds abit? Just because its not mentioned. That does'nt mean its not there. Not EVERY salesman reveals everything in their bag. Then again, if that is my shortfall. I'll adjust and pick it up from there. But the idea is to "entice" the potential clientele into "shopping around". And then POSSIBLY making a purchase. Theres rhymes & reasons for everyone's methods. And theres NEVER a right way of doing things. Its all a "gamble". But that's my view.

And for the record. Discussion board or not. In the end. Did I ask for advice? Not that I recall. I just made an announcement and merely offered an open door for "inquiries" regarding the service. Which even you have to admit when you look back. You really didn't make any. Just gave out what has to be pretty sound advice that unfortunately, I cant use and that ultimately. I never asked for.

But, if you wish to carry this on and have the final word. Go ahead. I have a business to run. And this is not going to help me in the slightest to get it moving.

Thank You

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Hi everyone at GameDev.net! I just wanted to chime in on what PhyerBoss stated. I am the lead developer over at PhyerNet and it is truly a great place. We are striving every day to make it better. We now have a lot of information over there and are happily looking forward to hosting any Creative Minds out there looking for a place to rest.

In the works are a new file manager, including messaging, chat, games and a number of other great additions. Some future amenities include switchable themes for your file manager and online support services.

Please come by and visit us. We would love to have you. As we work through our dust, I know that you'll be satisfied with what we have available. Also it is a community work. So you'll be part of something great.

Thanks.

Nathandelane
Home, http://nathandelane.com/
PhyerNet Support, http://www.phyer.com/nathanlane/

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I think I'll pass. I prefer to pay for services from companies willing to go that extra mile and hire people who can use commas.


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