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Hey, Im pretty much a newbie to this whole thing. I don''t know any languages except for HTML but I want to start programming games. Anyway, there is this program that caught my eye that is called:Game Programming Starter Kit 4.0, now this program consists of a compiler C++ books and some kind of a cool animation program (no not Blender). It costs however 59.99 coming out to 68.89 something like that with taxes. I wanted to know if any of you guys have any experience with this program, or maybe could tell me if its a waste of money. Black_Mage

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Hey when that thing first vame out (Game Programmig Starter Kit 4.0). I bought it. I really don''t thin its worth it. In it there is a modeler which is ok if you know how to use it. There the genesis engine where create worlds which took me a long time to figure out. It comes with the DirectX 7.0 sdk. And last but not least to acrobat Books. Sams teach yourself Visual C++ in 21 days. And sams teach yourself DirectX 7.0 in 24 hours. It also comes with the introduvtry edition of Visual C++ (which normally is aroubd $50) Yes price wise its worth the money. Especailly if you need a compiler. I have the enterprize edtion of C++ so I don''t use wht comes int it. I also have other modelers. And don''t like using engine. I am goin on and on. Anyways its a great resource if its worth $60 to you.

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Mu uncle used to do programming at a company. He stopped and now is doing networking.So he gave me his copy of Visual C++. There is a huge difference with the introductory edition and the enterprize. But its not needed. Sooner or later I would advise to Get the Professional edition, because I have seen a lot of books that say, "This book focuses on using Visual C++ Professional edition" or something of the like. And if not Professinal, at least get the Standered editon. Although everything is expensive these days. Let alone the standerd is
~$100.

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earl...
I don''t think he downloaded it off the internet. Read above. Oh and if you do find a download for Microsoft Visual C++ Enterprize edition. Please post I would love to see it.

p.s. Do you now how long that file is to upload on a site. Its 3 CD worth of megabytes.

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Thanks for all the help guys, but im still confounded. Should I or should I not. Acer722 did you say that if you had $60 it was worth it or a different program was worth it. My next question is it really good for a newbie like me? It looked pretty cool, but its getting some really bad reviews, are there any other products like this one?
Thanks
Black_Mage

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I briefly looked at the box, and if you have nothing yet it''s probablly a good start to see if you really want to write a game.

Sure, you can download the Genesis 3D engine, but if you have no C++ experience, having those two books on CD might be worth the price alone (as a good start that is).

Just my 2 cents worth

borngamer

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I wouldn''t recommend getting Game Programming Starter Kit 4.0, because I have bought it myself and I still can''t figure out Genesis or SRMA. The book, Teach Yourself Visual C++ In 21 Days, is a pretty good book except for a couple errors it has (Chapter 3: The LineTo function (the most frustrating error because you have to use the bugged source for at least two other chapters) I think it is). I dont even want to get into that DirectX book. On some Amazon Reviews, people said stuff like "This is a great book if you LOVE to debug the authors code", but I havn''t read it. I''m not sure but I think the earlier version (Game Programming Starter Kit 3.0) has Tricks of the Windows Game Programming Gurus on it (I''m not sure, correct me if I''m wrong). As for Game Design Secrets of the Sages, I would say its a great book.

P.S. If you decide to buy it, look for it on ebay!!!!! People sell Game Programming Starter Kit REALLY CHEAP there!!!!!

P.S.S. Does anyone know if Game Programming Starter Kit 3.0 has Tricks of The Windows Game Programming Gurus in it? I fyou know, please Email me @ ChocaPaluza123@hotmail.com

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I also would like to know if Game Programming Starter Kit 3.0 has Tricks of The Windows Game Programming Gurus in it. Anyone? Thanks.

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The genesis sdk and the SRMA modeler are hard to figure out. That is very true. I mean and average programming book is ~$50 Getting two books on the cd is a great deal. The only problem is that the books don''t come with cds themselves. The directX book, well you need pictures and stuff from that to run the program. I wouldn''t really want to get. What I do recomend more it by Sams Teach Yourself C++ in 21 days. Or you can read the secon edtion online at www.informit.com. The fourth edition is at your local book store and it only 34.99. Thats a cheap computer book. If you do get thois book go through it slowly and do every example. 99% of of all the stuff in that book is used in game programming. I read in a book once or online that games are the hardest to make and thats true. They use evry aspect of programming. Once your done with the book try and write a text based RPG. There is book coming out called The Zen of Direct3D Game Programming which will have everything you need for game programming. But, before you jump to that learn the basics. It will make game programming so much easier!

Hope this helps And I wouldn''t buy Game Programming Starter Kit 4.0

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Thanks again, I just have one more question. I searched Game Programming Starter Kit 3.0 on a yahoo.ca shopping centre type thing and i found it for 69.95, Game Programming Starter Kit 4.0 is also the same price. If I had to buy one seeing as they are the same price which is better for a newbie like me?
Thanks Again

Black_Mage

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I would always go with the newer version (4.0) The kit is a great place to start. There is one thing I forgot to metion. The book Sams teach yourself Visual C++ in 21 days (in the kit ) is mfc programming. If I were you I would buy Sams Teach yourself C++ in 24 hours. (21 days has mor info) The book comes with the introductory edition. I think the book is also ~$20. Thats a great computer book. I would do that because the book teaches you C++, not mfc programming. I would also look for a book for windows programming. This will teach you everythig about windows because you need to know how to make them for games. I think an easy Api is OpenGL. Check out www.Nehe.Gamedev.net. And go through the tutorials if you want to get started right away. (Which is a bad idea because you should get C++ first.) Also in the kit there is the genesis sdk. You can download that off the internet. Its your money but I really do think its a waste to but Game Programming Starter Kit 4.0.

Hope this helps

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Hey it''s me again. I was searching for Game Programming Sarter Kit 3.0 all over the web to see of it came with Tricks of the Windows Game Programming Gurus. I searched all over, but the few sites I could find (even the publisher''s site) only had info on 4.0. Do you guys know where I can find out about it?

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quote:
Original post by ChocaPaluza123
Hey it''s me again. I was searching for Game Programming Sarter Kit 3.0 all over the web to see of it came with Tricks of the Windows Game Programming Gurus. I searched all over, but the few sites I could find (even the publisher''s site) only had info on 4.0. Do you guys know where I can find out about it?

C++


No it doesn''t come with Tricks of the Windows Game Programming Gurus. It come with the intro version of VC++, 2 acrobat books, Genesis, and a game design book - Secrets of the Sages.



Digital Radiation

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Do not buy the Programming starter kit if you want to learn C++!
There are great compilers out there for free. There is one that I very highly recommend. It''s called Dev-C++ by Bloodshed(there''s a section in his website about the name).
As for a book on C++, Sam''s Teach Yourself C++
in 21 days
is, in my opinion, the best.
If your not trying C++, don''t try the Programming Starter kit anyway unless you don''t want to look for a few minutes around
this website!!

SEZ




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I dont know about the starter kit, but I have Sams teach yourself Directx 7 in 24 hours, I bought it because I bought Lamothe''s tricks of the windows game programing gurus (TOTWGPG) , and it lacks 3d programming, and is about directx 6.
Sams book is in my opinion a good reference book, not something you might want to learn from, in this aspect Llamothe''s is supperior (cant wait for january to get Volume 2!!!!) but like I said, lacks 3d (some online books come in the CD but are not from Lamothe).

when I bought TOTWGPG I knew C++, and knew a couple of things on graphics programming in DOS, with the book I learned Directx, and it comes with VC++ Introductory, so you might want to consider getting that book instead. if you are new, you wont mind much about the 3d missing, which seems to be what bothers most advanced game programmers about the book (it didnt bothered me when I got it, it bothers me now! )

Greets,

Kwizatz

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PLEASE!!!
do not buy the GPSK thinking that you will learn how to program games. You honestly would waste time and money, seeing as the books and documantation that come with it are not what they seem.

I bought the 3.0 like two years ago, and ive never used anything it offered. Its a total dissapointment.

The only reason I would buy it is if I already knew C++ and Windows Programming and Direct X Programming, because it just doesnt teach you any of it. It only offers tools you can get online for free.

So again, dont buy it

Buy a good book on C++, and the rest can be found on the internet.

A good book is C++ by Dietel and Dietel Publishers, and it comes with VC++ Intro ed which is all you need.

hope that helped


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So all of you are saying not to buy GPSK 4.0? Ok I respect your opinions and I want to thank all of you for your help. However, can anyone help me find a Candadian Website that can let me buy those books you all suggested?

Thanks Again
Black_Mage

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The best Canadian website for buying books is Chapters. The new site for Chapters is chapters.indigo.ca. If you have a Chapters in your city go there and check it out.

Here in London, Ontario the Chapters always has some good game development books (usually only one copy which I always end up buying).

If you are in a bigger city like Toronto you should have no problem getting these books.

Also, Chapters has a great "Come in and Read the Book" policy. They promote you to grab a stack of books, sit on the couch and read it to see if it''s for you.

Hope this helps.

borngamer

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For my pennies worth...

Buy the Standard version of the Visual C++ compiler (not the intro version!), it only has a few things that the pro version doesnt and while you are learning I dont think you would notice the difference. You can upgrade later. This comes with a simple intro to windows peogramming. I suggest a library for obtaining books to start with, its cheaper and you dont end up with any lemons as you have a chance to read them before you decide to shell out your hard earned cash and buy it (points to bookcase with a number of expensive lemons gathering dust). Alternatively I assume they have second hand book shops and discount book shops in Canada, you can find some reasonable texts cheap for a few minutes browsing.

Learn to program windows simply first and while you are doing that work on your game design! Seems a little dull but the work you put in here will help you later! (I suggest reading ''Game architectyre and Design'' by Andrew Rollins et al.).

If you want any other book suggestions try the listings on this site or email me.

Good luck.

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BornGamer, I live in windsor, and I have a chapters about a 10 min walk from my house, but I never saw a game programming book there. I''ll go take a look
thanks
Black_Mage

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Now im seriously confused. Although I respect all your decisions and opinions i decided to do some follow up to the program GPSK4.0 . Now, most of you recommended the program Sam''s Teach Yourself C++ in 21 days. And to get that rather than GPSK4.0. Well I took a closer look at GPSK4.0 and I saw that it infact does come with the book Sam''s Teach Yourself C++ in 21 days. And also a Direct X 7 book. I''m not 100% sure on this but Im fairly sure im going to buy it.
Black_Mage

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Yes, I think it does come with the book on CD. I think the GPSK is good if you know how to write games and just need the tools, but I don''t think it will teach you a whole lot. Aside from the C++ book and the DirectX book which isn''t that good in my opinion. I really doubt you''d use the Genesis engine or any of that for a while, if at all. The C++ book might be okay, but I think you''d be better if getting a different book on DirectX (such as Tricks of the Windows Game Programming Gurus).

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