Yvanhoe, I agree that -punk is more of the street-level activity of the lower social class (in a way think street "fighter," but notice why I emphasis fighter. This "figher" means a gang member literally). But we do know that words change definition over time, and sometimes the word change but the meaning is the same.

For example, the word "wereman." If you know that in old english, wereman is male, woman is female, and man is genderneutral, then you know how arrogant they were to remove the were- prefix.

In my opinion, Steampunk would be a world where technology is develop through the powersource of heating water to create steam, and then do mechanical work with the steam. So a means of transport would be "steam powered trains."

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in truth, the fantasy genres have nothing to do with each with it. Magic with Science, to give a common instance- I don't think so somehow!

Then you're missing the point.

All science fiction involves magic. Some element added to the fictional world that is not real that drives the story, works as a moral analogy to today, or some stylistic force. A ray gun and a magic wand are not really different. They have the same effect, they involve the same leap of faith from the reader/player to accept that they exist in the fictional world. It's just a presentation difference.


Steampunk is just Victorian science fiction. It places the magic within gears and contraptions and aether rather than wands and pixies or ray guns and FTL drives. An interesting and entertaining presentation, but realistically it's not anything as distinct or unique as you seem to consider it.

Magic is science. The only difference is the audience does not have enough scientific backgroud to see the science that is involve. Physics and Chemistry can be use to describe all of magic that are posible in this world, but it is the responsibility of the magician to hide these clues from the audience.

I would say that there was a few dungeon and dragon books that describe magic using science. It describe using the spell fireball with a flamable substance. In essent, it is the lack of scientific knowledge by the others that they call it magic, but it is purely science. That fact is that if you don't know how something work then you have no right to talk about it. Without explaining a process, then there is no process, and people keep saying "it just happens" without knowing the cause. That is because there is not enough people with college level education so that you can easily brainwash them with the so called magic. It is to say that people cannot explain that is they are not of college level. They are just a bunch of people that you can brainwash anytime without any problem. And with these people, you can just say magic and not explain to them. Things do have fundamental occurance but higher level knowledge is something that we don't want other people to have. The education system is set up for people to fail so that the ones with intelligence can rule the ones with less. If you take the real world, then you can say that all of the laws of physics are not real because they are not disproven yet does not mean that you cannot disprove them. The real world has nothing real about it. Everything is not real. We only assume that it is real, but it is not real in the highest of the scientific perspective. You can only prove false to things with the scientific method. You cannot prove things. When others say magic, they are blaming magic because they are not at college level so they cannot explain how these things can occur.

Magic is not fundamentally unexplainable, but that those whom lack college level education try to create new ideas that cannot occur in the real world. Even what you can real magic that occurs in the real world, not those illusions that you say, but the miracles that occur in the Old Testiment or such can occur in real life, but you will have to know that they are hiding facts from others to maintain a higher position in the social hierarchy.

Off Topic:
God is weaker than human. He lost in wrestling to a human.
God is not perfect. He choose a person that is not good, and called him good, but later say that He is not perfect as an excuse for selecting a not good person.
According to the BIBLE, then God whom is neither all knowing, nor all powerful is just some other human whom us the word WE to speak of Himself, and that we have to call Him one entity when He Himself use the plural tense to call Himself.

To tie the off topic portion to topic slightly, I will say that magic is usually backed up with GOD as it sources. <br><br>Back to side topic:<br>We don't know the physical world, we &#111;nly see patterns in the world and create Physical Laws after these patterns, but science is &#111;nly the knowledge but not the facts of the real world, as there is no such thing as facts in the scientific perspective.<br><br>Sorry for arguing about Magic in your topic that is not suppose to have Magic in it.

Umm, what?

I'm not sure if you're just a troll or stoned or what...

Fictional worlds need no scientific basis for things that exist in them; no physical laws need govern their existence.

The more realistic a game, the better people can make connection to it, so that players are more satisfied with the game from the connection they have with the game.