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Do you think anyone cares that Iran is violating the treaty, just because its violating the treaty? The only reason a violation of the treaty is of any concern is because it impacts someones security. This is the whole point of the treaty, to increase the signers security. Its only common sense then, that the worst offenders are those whose violations are acctually impacting the security of other nations, otherwise, violations are meaningless.

I would just like to point out that Iran has not invaded any country in the past 50 years.

Wheras the US has invaded 2 in the past 8 alone.

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Do countries normally spend lots of money to keep commercial useless things secret on military bases inside a mountain?

Yes, they do.

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Do countries normally spend lots of money to keep commercial useless things secret on military bases inside a mountain?

Yes, they do.

I mis phrased this, I should have said, do countries normally spend lots of money to keep militarily useless AND commercially useless things secret in military bases inside mountains?

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I see that you're comfortable describing the hidden facility as a "commercially useless reactor" without any evidence that is what the facility is.

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I mis phrased this, I should have said, do countries normally spend lots of money to keep militarily useless AND commercially useless things secret in military bases inside mountains?

The answer is still the same. Yes, they do. I bet plenty of useless things were stored at Cheyenne Mountain.

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I see that you're comfortable describing the hidden facility as a "commercially useless reactor" without any evidence that is what the facility is.

I'm comfortable with accepting the claims of US officials on the subject of nuclear engineering and their intelligence claim that theres only 3000 of the things in there. Of course you are correct they have been horribly wrong in the past, and its possible they are wrong this time. So if we aren't to include their claims, then I agree theres no evidence, or rather that the evidence is less strong, since I still cant think of a benign reason to hide a secret nuclear enrichment plant in a military base in a mountain, since I don't see how its worth spending that much money to defend and keep secret a small civilian enrichment plant intended for peaceful purposes.

Their claims imply that because the facility isn't large enough for 50,000 centrifuges it's purpose is to make highly enriched uranium for a nuclear weapon. Are you comfortable accepting that?

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Quote:Original post by laeuchli
Do you think anyone cares that Iran is violating the treaty, just because its violating the treaty? The only reason a violation of the treaty is of any concern is because it impacts someones security. This is the whole point of the treaty, to increase the signers security. Its only common sense then, that the worst offenders are those whose violations are acctually impacting the security of other nations, otherwise, violations are meaningless.

I would just like to point out that Iran has not invaded any country in the past 50 years.

Wheras the US has invaded 2 in the past 8 alone.

Iran invaded Iraq over the course of the Iran-Iraqi war. Of course the Iranians did not start this war, but its not correct to state they haven't invaded anyone.

Ok Iran has not started any wars in the last 50 years. Pardon my laziness in choice of words, but you get my point. It seems to me that Iran has much more to worry about us than we have to worry about them.