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Kylotan    9853
Guys, just looking at today''s threads shows that maybe 9 or 10 of them are graphics questions, perhaps even DirectX or OpenGL questions. Please... if it''s about DirectX, use the DirectX forum. If it''s about OpenGL, use the OpenGL forum. If it''s about both, or graphics in general, use the Graphics forum. If everyone posts in the wrong forums it makes it a lot harder to find the information you want, especially weeks or months down the line when using the search facility. It also makes the moderators'' jobs harder.

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Facehat    696
True that.

The hard part about the Game Programming forum is that it''s generic enough to encompass all of that, so I hesitate a bit about moving messages (I''d rather not make people have to search around for their messages). It''s partially my fault since I still haven''t written a FAQ (damn I''m lazy ), but it''s still a bit obvious when there are specialized forums. Anyway, I don''t think it''s way too large a problem seeing as the other forums get a decent amount of use, but it probably could be better.

I''m not sure what to do to remedy the situation (if it is indeed a situation that needs remedying). I should write a FAQ (although from my experience people rarely read FAQ''s anyway), or I could simply start moving posts. Perhaps I could have some sort of "Daily Digest" post on things I have moved and where I moved them? Anyway, if anyone has any opinions on this feel free to post it here.

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well the thing is if my question deals about graphics i might not get a responce if i put in say opengl forum as apposed to the game programing forum

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Facehat    696
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Original post by ShiningKnight
Hehe... senshi is a heretic. Not even a FAQ yet. Your own forum (thats not the HW one... that just scares me over there), and you can''t even take 5 minutes to write a FAQ. I''m disappointed.

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Heh, well the problem is that for the FAQ I want to have a lot of answers to questions in there as well as guidelines. I guess I should start with something up there .

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Kylotan    9853
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well the thing is if my question deals about graphics i might not get a responce if i put in say opengl forum as apposed to the game programing forum
The problem is that this is a self-fulfilling prophecy. If all the OpenGL people think "if I post in the Game Programming forum instead, I''ll get more replies", then the OpenGL forum stays empty. But if all the OpenGL people think "I''ll post in the OpenGL forum because that''s where it''s supposed to go", then the OpenGL forum sees a lot more traffic, more people will read it, and you get more replies.

This system needs your help to work, people. The staff here have done a good job of separating out the forums into what I believe is the optimum number... not so many that you can''t keep track of the ones you want, not so few that each one sees too much traffic to keep up.

Benefits of making sure you post in the right place:

1) Experts in a given field may only find time to post in ''their'' forum. For example, the AI forum has some well-known AI programmers posting in it who don''t seem to bother posting in other forums. So, if you post your AI question in Game Programming instead, you miss out on their expertise.

2) It keeps traffic more evenly spread out. This probably means less load on the server when generating topic lists, less load on the server when you ask to search a specific forum rather than a very busy ''catch-all'' forum, or even all forums.

3) It makes searching for previous answers easier. If I want to find an answer for a DirectX question, it would make life a lot easier if I only have to search the DirectX forum for it. If I have to search all the forums for a DirectX question, I might get way too many hits, with no decent way of being able to narrow those down.

4) People don''t have to read topics they''re not interested in. When I read the Game Programming forum, I don''t want to see a lot of OpenGL topics. Why? Because I don''t know a thing about it. I can''t help any of the posters with their questions. If I could, I''d have gone to the OpenGL forum in the first place. It gets frustrating to open up yet another thread that shouldn''t belong there. In the Lounge recently, people were complaining that the quality of the forums is dropping. Lots of posts in the wrong places contributes to this.

5) Respect. If you post in the wrong place, people have less respect for you. You are showing that you believe your problem is more important than the rules of the board. The GDNet staff put in a lot of effort to maintain this resource, the articles, news, the forums, and more. If you use it with no consideration to the time they put in to setting up a decent classification for the forums, you''re showing that you don''t respect their work. Personally, I''m not very inclined to help someone who posts in the wrong forum. The short description of each forum is accurate enough. On the other hand, if you post in the right forums, you get the respect of your peers for at least paying attention to the rules of the forums.

So please guys. If you''re one of the people who posts your threads in here, just because you think the relevant forum is a bit quiet, please read the above points and reconsider. Everyone needs to cooperate and follow the reasonable guidelines if these forums are to work as well as they should.

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there are too many forums I think. Instead of DX, OGL, Graphics, NeHe, and Iso why not just have 3d and 2d? For example what if I was making an isometric game with dx8? Where would I go? What if I''m a newbie and I''m not sure which category my question falls under and I end up posting in the wrong place? When a forum is too unpopular it dies and its threads go into the main two. The key then it to make the less popular forums more popular by combining them. If all forums have equal traffic it is in people''s best interest to post in the correct one, unlike now where it would be pointless to post in, say, the beginner''s forum. The more you split the more posts end up in the main forum. If you split the forums into 100 more we''d end up with 100% of all posts going to the two main forums. It is time to do some combining.

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lower_case    122
I know it sounds kind of lame but I think it could be done.

If you could think of some ingenious new type of forum. Like instead of seperate forums for opengl etc, you could have the person select.. I want to read messages about..
OpenGL
DirectX
Tile Maps

and it would show up all those. so each forum post would have variables attatched to it telling what the message is about.

Now this is a bad suggestion probably.. but I seriously think the only way to get stuff like that out of forums is some ingenious thing someone has to stumble upon in their mind...
you know..

anyway.. thats my opinion.

CrappySoft - game production team with a punk attitude. Mail me if you want to make levels, art etc.

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Kylotan    9853
Heh. If you want to make suggestions for the Forums, there is a separate forum for that too. Please use it I only posted this comment here, because it was specifically this forum with a big misplaced posts problem, and I wanted the users of this forum to read it.

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I can understand your logic about posting this thread in the topic with the most traffic, but you''re not setting a very good example, are you. Your adding to all of this traffic too, Kylotan, if I''m not mistaken. Just my opinion.

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Drizzt DoUrden    100
AP before me: hes just trying to point out the problem to the braindead people not realizing/paying attention to it. I agree with Kylotan, and, every other moderator, you would think it would be fun to be a moderator but not with people posting 6000 opengl topics ina game programming thread. I think you should make a faq, kinda like the Save GDNet things, how it its in every forum, and alwaysa t the top, as aa faq reminding people to not post Direct X in openGL forums(not that that happens, I have to say, the OpenGL forum is very clean and easy to navigate through, mainly becasue:1) the people who do post in OpenGL are usually posting OpenGL topics(thats why the size is so small compared to tohers) 2) no one is posting a messae like : I am a newbie who wants to make FF& in 3 days alone, sry to you newbies but theres another forum for that, where people who want to be bothered go to, you , as kylotan said, lose respect if you post something like that in a Direct X forum). There should be like a Post new message button, not in a direct forum, just a post new, with a pull down menu saying the types of messages, then they go into the specified one, and if someone lies they get a warning on thier account, 2 warnings and your out. I think someone already posted this idea, of a category selection.

"I''''ve sparred with creatures from the nine hells themselves... I barely plan on breaking a sweat here, today."~Drizzt Do''''Urden

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flame_warrior    122
quote:
Original post by Kylotan
Guys, just looking at today''s threads shows that maybe 9 or 10 of them are graphics questions, perhaps even DirectX or OpenGL questions. Please... if it''s about DirectX, use the DirectX forum. If it''s about OpenGL, use the OpenGL forum. If it''s about both, or graphics in general, use the Graphics forum. If everyone posts in the wrong forums it makes it a lot harder to find the information you want, especially weeks or months down the line when using the search facility. It also makes the moderators'' jobs harder.




Ok, so A game consists of OpenGL, DirectX ,umm graphics and AI so wouldn''t most questions come here. I am actually wondering if you remove all these from a game whats left to ask about ? Hmm and all of them have their own boards. So wouldn''t asking these questions directly or indirectly come into game programming ?

P.S. :- Please don''t take this sarcastically. Its a question from an amatuer :-)

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Kylotan    9853
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Original post by Anonymous Poster
I can understand your logic about posting this thread in the topic with the most traffic, but you''re not setting a very good example, are you. Your adding to all of this traffic too, Kylotan, if I''m not mistaken. Just my opinion.

One extra thread is a small price to pay to cut down on all the other misplaced ones.

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fredjordans    122
Well, a few days ago I posted my message in the DirectX forum. I received no response.. So today I posted it here. Then I read your post. I think the polem is that the users are being spread across to many forums so there aren''t as many people who can help you with your problems

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khawk    2901
Aye, aye, aye..

Kylotan, thanks for posting this. I wish people would listen instead of argue.

If you have a isometric question using DX8, it goes in "Isometric Land". Think about it. If you post an isometric question in the DX forum, you''re not going to get the isometric "gurus" answering your question.

Look at the description of the DirectX forum: "API-specific topics about DirectX". Catch that? API-SPECIFIC. There is nothing API-specific about isometric programming.

Let''s see, some of the other "arguments"...

The game programming forum is meant to be something of a "left over" forum. Some examples of topics might be "moving enemy from point A to point B", overall game system design, tying the components of a game together, game menus, battle systems, input, etc. There are many more topics in game development that are not covered in the rest of the forums.

Another thing is that it''s going to take some time before people get used to the new forums. We''ve only had them for about a month or two, as compared to the old system which we had for about two years. So, give it time.

Anyways, what it comes down to is that people who post on the message board need to figure out exactly what it is that their post/question is about and then post in the respective forum. There is something of a hierarchy to the forums with Game/General/Graphics/SE/API''s being at the bottom and the specific topics at the top. Start at the top and work your way down when figuring out the appropriate forum. Maybe THAT should be in the FAQ...

Kevin

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