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Major DirectX 8 problem

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any program that uses directX 8, will randomly crash my computer and cause it to not work for a long time. I thought it might me overheating, but then openGL would do that too (which it doesn''t) I have a tnt2 m64,via ms-6330 motherboard and win2k i have tried all the various video drivers,motherboard chipsets, and have service pack 2 for win2k. I have also tried directX 8.0a and still the same I have even reinstalled windows mant times Anyone help, this is really annoying!

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Try reseating your video card, CPU, and memory.
Otherwise it maybe a result of CPU over-clocking, lower the speed and see if that fixes it. Your video card may also be faulty, try another one.

Does your system board have a non-intel chipset? If so, you may need to install AGP Gart drivers to make AGP transfers more stable. Download them from your Video card manufacturers site.

If all else fails, maybe its a Win2000 problem, try WinME or 98Se.



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If its not too out of your way you should try pulling back to windows 98 its much more stable. If that dosn''t work then you got some kind of low level system problem and technicly speaking you''re SOL, better prepare to set your computer on fire.

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It''s prbly those three little letters V I A . In my experience via chipsets are very picky about what they run. A tnt2 is rock solid, as is win2k. That is assuming you have the latest drivers for EVERYTHING. Thats including your mobo, sound, and anything else you can think of.

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I''m running Windows 2000 with an Elsa Synergy-II (TNT2) on my Asus CUBX board, which uses an Intel chipset - and it''s far more stable than my Windows 98/SE box. I faintly recall something about problems with NVidia graphics cards and VIA chipsets, make sure you have the latest VIA 4-in-1 drivers for Win2K installed, that _might_ help things out if that''s your problem.

You also say that OpenGL doesn''t cause this problem, that''s interesting.. what OpenGL functionality are you using, compared to DirectX functionality? It might not be your graphics card...

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I''m running Windows 2000 with an Elsa Synergy-II (TNT2) on my Asus CUBX board, which uses an Intel chipset - and it''s far more stable than my Windows 98/SE box. I faintly recall something about problems with NVidia graphics cards and VIA chipsets, make sure you have the latest VIA 4-in-1 drivers for Win2K installed, that _might_ help things out if that''s your problem.

You also say that OpenGL doesn''t cause this problem, that''s interesting.. what OpenGL functionality are you using, compared to DirectX functionality? It might not be your graphics card...

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Thanks for the reply everyone,

Well,
i don''t overclock my athlon 800
i use the same basic features for OpenGL as DirectX
i can''t try another OS, i only have one (isn''t win2k stable?)
i have the tried very latest drivers for everything
i don''t have any other video cards to test either

I really don''t "think" it''s a software problem,
maybe the video card is broken and i just need a new one,
but why is openGL fine. 3D is 3D.

I even coded a simple 3d program (using directX 8),
which just draws a single 3d model on the screen
with the lowest of the low features (no texture,low poly count)
and still the same problem

perhaps it''s the fact that i just have bad luck
and directX is not playing nice

if some more suggestions are available, please continue to help out.

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I had the same problem a few months ago with my computer that uses a VIA chipset. It was working fine until I upgraded the hard drive, then all the graphic-heavy games/apps started freezintg left and right. I thought it was the hard drive, but it was actually the VIA drivers. WHen I reinstalled WinME, I forgot to reinstall the latest VIA 4in1 drivers. Once I had those bad boys upgraded, everything worked perfectly. I also upgraded to the latest nVidia detonator drivers, but the VIA 4in1 is what made is 500% more stable for me. I just did a Yahoo search for "VIA 4in1" and it came up with a lot of downloads. Just pick one from a reliable source to prevent viruses. =)

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I have tried the newest via 4in1 drivers and it doesn''t help at all.

I should also know that when i install the newest nvidia drivers
(12.41), ALL graphic functionality(DX && OpenGL) decides to not work while freezing the computer up.
this is not good but it is kind of better than a totally computer break as described before

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i''ve seen this problem twice beofore.

once it was a faulty voltage regulator on the mainboard, the vcard didn''t like 3d mode at 6.5v.

the other time it was caused by an older hcf modem. with an hcf modem, the modem chipset is mostly software and the drivers crashed the system during d3d locks.

probably won''t help, but doublecheck your mainboard voltages and try pulling out extraneous add-in cards.

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i have tried using different voltages also for the cpu (it was at 3.3v) and still the same.

the clue to this problem must have something to do with the fact that directx 7 works fine (rune plays well) and that anything that uses direct3d from directx 8 breaks the computer.

I still need more help

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I have the same problem. I have a TNT2 M64 and a VIA chipset and I had problems with Win2000 in almost every game. I also had problems with Win Me and Win 98 SE. Now I have Win 98 again and I continue to have problems in some games, especialy in EASports games (Fifa2001 and NHL2001).
I have the latest drivers for all my hardware.

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More input, please

Could the order of the installation be a problem?

By that I mean is there a certain order to install thing?
Like chipset,then service pack, then directX8, then video driver
(that''s the order that seems the most correct to me)

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You might want to try turning off AGP 4X in your system''s BIOS and see if that stops the crashing.

I was using a VIA based motherboard with a GeForce 2 for a while and it worked great as long as AGP 4X wasn''t enabled. If it was, the system would crash often when doing any rendering that might use AGP 4X.

This was actually fixed though by installing updated VIA drivers (they werent available when I first had the problem but have been out for close to a year by now)...And I was able to reenable 4X without crashes. I don''t recall the exact order of installation but I think it was Windows 2000, nvidia driver, via driver upgrades, newer nvidia driver, sp2, and it was all working great.

I''d be weary of falling back to 98 or Me. Windows 2000 is far more stable than either of these operating systems, despite what some people might say. The real issue is that Windows 2000 drivers can be less mature than those for 98/Me because they haven''t been around as long. However, in my experience the driver issues are a thing of the past... I''ve been running Win2k on 3 machines now happily for nearly a year. Only crash I''ve had was when I installed some buggy Gravis joystick drivers on one of the systems, but removing those drivers fixed everything and I''ve been totally crash free and these systems are used heavily for software development. Its really nice to be able to recover from a crash in a program that is running DirectX in fullscreen mode...Try that on a 98/Me box.


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I'm having a problem just like this, although I have no idea if it's only in D3D. I run a program using 3D gfx, and after a short time the system freezes. The (ATX) power button will not shut down the computer, cntrl-alt-delete won't pull up the task manager, and I have to use the hard reset or the main power switch. I went back to '98 to fix the problem, but I'd still like to get 2000 going, since I like the OS better.

I was convinced it was a motherboard problem, but having gone through 2 motherboards with this same problem - an ABIT/VIA and a SOYO/ALI - I'm no longer certain. I've tried everything, and I mean everything to fix this problem. Switched out all my cards for different ones, tried a dizzying array of drivers for everything, new HD, replaced CPU, clean install of windows, update (or no update) of the microsoft critical updates and service packs, so on and etcetera.

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Edited by - ratheous on August 3, 2001 3:40:42 PM

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Does anyone know if Direct3D (for directx8) will heat up a video card (such as my tnt2 m64) far more than openGL ever would?

What kind of temperatures should my video card be running in?
My system temp. gets to 44C at times. Is this bad?

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what configuration of memory are you using? i have 2 x 128MB, and 1 x 256MB ... my system would crash until i swapped them around - this didn''t happen under 98, only under 2k.

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Well I guess this problem will never be fixed.
I give up. I''ll just have to stop programming on directx and learn to use opengl.

I want to say thanks to all that have left a message here or anywhere.

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