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That's not the sense I get from this position paper: Policy C1: Climate Change and Energy.

Compare that with Policy C2: Nuclear. The Australian Greens don't like coal power plants. But they really, really hate nuclear.

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Also has anyone pointed out to them just how Clean and Safe nuclear power has proven to be in the last two decades?

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Yelling is doing something. It's not always the most effective thing to do, sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. In a representative system, the squeaky wheel gets the grease. Right now in the US the squeaky wheel is the tea party people and with the election of Scott Brown, they're getting heard.

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Quote:Original post by LessBread
Yelling is doing something. It's not always the most effective thing to do, sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. In a representative system, the squeaky wheel gets the grease. Right now in the US the squeaky wheel is the tea party people and with the election of Scott Brown, they're getting heard.

I will agree yelling is doing something. But at the same time if they aren't doing anything but yelling means they are doing nothing. On the same note - do the ones yelling understand what they are all yelling about? Does anyone who give out fliers understand why they are protesting from a scientific viewpoint. From my understanding after talking to them I realized they don't even understand basics of why global warming happens. They asked me - do you know about global warming, frankly I did say - no and I would like to know why. I was asked to go to a website.

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Yelling without knowing the reason as to why you are yelling is analogous to monkeys experiment of coporporate policy

Quote:Original post by Trapper Zoid

Quote:Original post by LessBread
That's not the sense I get from this position paper: Policy C1: Climate Change and Energy.

Compare that with Policy C2: Nuclear. The Australian Greens don't like coal power plants. But they really, really hate nuclear.

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Quote:Original post by Trapper Zoid

Quote:Original post by LessBread
That's not the sense I get from this position paper: Policy C1: Climate Change and Energy.

Compare that with Policy C2: Nuclear. The Australian Greens don't like coal power plants. But they really, really hate nuclear.

So, has anyone pointed out to them the huge amount of medical related services that are tied directly to nuclear systems?

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Also has anyone pointed out to them just how Clean and Safe nuclear power has proven to be in the last two decades?

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Each year, enormous quantities of radioactive waste are created during the nuclear fuel process, including 2,000 metric tons of high-level radioactive waste(1) and 12 million cubic feet of low-level radioactive waste(2) in the U.S. alone. More than 58,000 metric tons of highly radioactive spent fuel already has accumulated at reactor sites around the U.S. for which there currently is no permanent repository. Even without new nuclear production, the inventory of commercial spent fuel in the U.S. already exceeds the 63,000 metric ton statutory capacity of the controversial Yucca Mountain repository, which has yet to receive a license to operate. Even if Yucca Mountain is licensed, the Department of Energy has stated that it would not open before 2017.
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On Nov. 21, there was a radiation leak at Three Mile Island nuclear power plant near Harrisburg, Pa., less than 100 miles north of Baltimore up I-83. One hundred and fifty workers were evacuated, and 20 people were exposed to radiation.
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EDF has other problems in France, where 15 of 58 reactors it owns are currently off-line. As reported this month in the Economist, one investment bank attributes the company's trouble with reliability in electricity production to under-investment and large maintenance costs from EDF's aging nuclear power fleet. Another expert quoted in the article commented that more attention was being given to international expansion and less to local French operations. One site, Tricastin, has repeatedly been in the news for leaks and mishaps - as it was again two weeks ago, when its Unit #2 had to stop refueling because the fuel assembly got stuck, just as it had last year. Also last year, there was a 30,000-liter spill of a uranium solution that contaminated two nearby rivers for a time. Another event at Tricastin last year caused the low-level radioactive contamination of 45 workers.
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That is until we get this thing working. But wait, that's nucular again !! OMG, run !

*sigh*

Apparently they don't like fusion reactors either, which, again, makes me seriously question them as an environmental organization.

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The test shots proved NIF’s ability to deliver sufficient energy to the hohlraum to reach the radiation temperatures – more than 3 million degrees Centigrade – needed to create the intense bath of X-rays that compress the fuel capsule. When NIF scientists extrapolate the results of the initial experiments to higher-energy shots on full-sized hohlraums, “we feel we will be able to create the necessary hohlraum conditions to drive an implosion to ignition,” said Jeff Atherton, director of NIF experiments.
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Quote:Original post by LessBread
Yelling is doing something. It's not always the most effective thing to do, sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. In a representative system, the squeaky wheel gets the grease. Right now in the US the squeaky wheel is the tea party people and with the election of Scott Brown, they're getting heard.

I will agree yelling is doing something. But at the same time if they aren't doing anything but yelling means they are doing nothing. On the same note - do the ones yelling understand what they are all yelling about? Does anyone who give out fliers understand why they are protesting from a scientific viewpoint. From my understanding after talking to them I realized they don't even understand basics of why global warming happens. They asked me - do you know about global warming, frankly I did say - no and I would like to know why. I was asked to go to a website.

Your logic is self-contradictory. If yelling is doing something, then doing noting but yelling is still doing something. I don't know if leafletters understand what they are protesting from a scientific viewpoint but the notion that they must is vapid. A person doesn't need to understand the chemistry of combustion to ring a fire alarm bell. Just because they referred you to a website doesn't mean they didn't understand the basics of global warming.

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Yelling without knowing the reason as to why you are yelling is analogous to monkeys experiment of coporporate policy

I see a different analogy at work in that joke, where you are the experimenter spraying water on an organization you disapprove of because such disapproval is the way it’s always been done around here.