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Unity Big Decision Time - Time for a graphics engine?

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Hi,

I've been doing alot of thinking. Having seen just how bad it is to work with mesh files I'm beginning to wonder if I might just be better off going with a graphics engine instead of rendering my own stuff.

Everything was fine up until I hit normal averaging. Now I see just how unpleasant it really is to get stuff from prototype to working order when working with very raw data. All this DirectX stuff is great and all, but I'd like to make a game before I hit 80 ideally and I'm only 31 now.

So what I must ask is, would I be better off with something like Unity? Or will I just hit very similar very big problems further down the line again. I felt at one time like programming was going to be the answer to something. Now it just feels like an awful bind to be frank and I'm sick of bashing hell out of code to get nowhere.

So what do you think? I'm not interested at all in free engines I want something with professional standard wallop behind it so I can just get on with what I want to get on with - making a game. Is unity fast enough for a multiplayer game? Are there any other engines out there which are just as good but maybe cheaper? A pro license for Unity is £600+ yikes!! Also I'm not sure what types of mesh it supports. The last thing I want is to buy an engine only to find I'm still stuck with this horrid dilemma of getting mesh files to run reliably.

If it gets that bad I'll just go back to my maths studies and leave this stuff well alone. It's not bringing me much joy at present and I'd like some input from folks who know their stuff about decision making concerning games.

Thanks ;o)

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So what I must ask is, would I be better off with something like Unity? Or will I just hit very similar very big problems further down the line again.
There will be challenges no matter what tools you use. Also, people tend to run into mesh-related problems having to do with importing and so on even with Unity and similar engines.

Even then though, your productivity will likely be increased greatly (by orders of magnitude, even) by using an engine such as Unity.
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Is unity fast enough for a multiplayer game?
I don't really know much about Unity's multiplayer and networking capabilities, so I can't really comment on that.
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Are there any other engines out there which are just as good but maybe cheaper?
I'm not sure of the prices involved, but you could look at engines like Shiva and Torque (although people around here don't seem to think very highly of the latter).
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Also I'm not sure what types of mesh it supports. The last thing I want is to buy an engine only to find I'm still stuck with this horrid dilemma of getting mesh files to run reliably.
You can try the free version first to make sure that the engine meets your needs and does what you need it to do.

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Hello :)

I guess the answer is as simple as: Try to figure out what you really want to do.

If you want to program an engine, do that.
If you want to make a game, then find a different means to do so.

As far as engines and similar things go, try some of them out, see what seems to work OK considering what you want to do and go with it.
There's a lot of parameters to weigh into the result that's for sure. So try to find something that does what you want, or close enough.

Still, the best thing to do is to research like crazy before making any choice. Go with your gut, sort of. Look through a ton of things, think it over and make an educated guess.

I'd guess. I hope this helps a little. ;)

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A pro license for Unity is £600+ yikes!!


Compared to a professional license for Unreal which can run around $200,000+ I'd say that's pretty cheap [smile]

But that said you should *definitely* go for an engine and not roll your own if you're not interested in the learning experience of making an engine. "Make games, not engines" is a common mantra around here.

Other things to look at: Torque, UDK (the free unreal item), Ogre.

Unity is a dope package and well worth the "small" price. It runs on a ton of platforms. You should be able to find out all the different model types it supports on their product pages somewhere.

-me

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If you're looking for options, don't forget Leadwerks.

On the free side (which doesn't necessarily mean "bad" or that will prevent you from doing professional-grade work with it), you could try Horde 3D.

[Edited by - Kryzon on July 23, 2010 10:29:08 AM]

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Well that's some great information alright. Thanks a lot. It's quite hard when I hit a brick wall, I do have quite a serious mental health problem and it can be very hard to stop myself getting caught up in things that are over my head and even harder to avoid persecution complexes when stuff goes wrong.

I'm going to have to learn to handle my own mind better if I want to do this sort of thing. Otherwise I'll end up doing nothing. Up to now I've been making the noob mistkae of calling functions that are too big and too hard to read. I think I need smaller and more frequent function calls.

I also got so involved in DX I didn't even realise I was writing my own engine essentially if you know what I mean. Thanks for the tips ;o)

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That leadwerks looks amazing. Only thing that worries me is the price. How much do they charge for a pro license? It sounds so cheap it's unreal (no pun intended).

That'd suit me fine. God it even comes with it's own modelling tool for environments.

Quick question. IF I wanted to could I also do a small amount of talking to direct X through a graphics engine? I've got an idea for AI detection using a line detection system which would need to have access to a camera from an AI's perspective. I'd probably need access to DirectX to get the pixels I'd need.

That's about it though. Sounds very good indeed!

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Hey there,

last time I checked Leadwerks had no Pro Version. It's just the one there is and you just pay once and be able to produce as much products as you want. I bought the engine because of its visual quality which is quite good. The tools are also quite usefull. The thing is, the development seems to head the Unity / Scripting (lua) way and thereby the API fell quite short on development.

I used it for quite some time and tried to develop a game with C# and it's API and it was no fun what so ever. There are lots of hidden bugs within the API. I repored alot of them. If the developer answered at all, it wasn't satisfying at all. So in the the end, I stopped frustrated using the engine altogether. It's being a couple month tho, maybe it has changed since then. Be warned tho, don't let the beautiful render images fool you.

Righ after that I had to look for another engine, and this time I really found something you can call an "engine" because it's just that. It's called Esenthel and it has all you need. And the best of it is the developer. Hes so fast in answering your questions that you wonder if hes linked or something with his forum ;). If you write a question, you're granted to get an answere not like as it was with Leadwerks, not at all.

Granted as I first saw the API I was all "wtf?!" because of his coding style. But you will get used to it. Sure there also bugs but if you report them, they will be fixed and most of them within days. All in all quite a good engine and it has also some really nice visuals.


Good luck.

Imp

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That's where you see the need for advertisement. I had no idea that Esenthel engine existed, and it looks 'very' well polished. Definitely worth a look.

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