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I was wondering, what kind of experience are C++ like jobs. I currently have 2-2½ years of experience, basic python which I'm working on with django. While I'm not trying to get in to gaming even though I do work on a gaming engine with some other mates. I'm looking in to Open Source jobs that pay to do Open Source work, etc. I never went to uni but I'm looking in to it when I get a job. Right now I'm working on my own open source application and also that open source gaming engine. I mainly just work on the audio/input/design ide. I have experience in xml, json, networking, gui. Just not so much threading as I never had the need/requirement to use it.

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1. I was wondering, what kind of experience are C++ like jobs.
2. I'm not trying to get in to gaming

1. Your question is unclear.
2. You realize that this forum can really only advise you on game jobs?

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Yeah I know, I was just wondering, since maybe someone might know that wasn't. Since nowhere else, people wouldn't give me a serious answer and somehow made a joke about it. I'm sorry about it.

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Maybe the problem is the wording of your question. Find someone who speaks good English and try to get your question worded properly. You're welcome to try again to post your question here but (1) if we still can't understand it, if we still can't understand what it is you want to know, then we can't help, and (2) if your question goes beyond the help we can offer on this game site, well: sorry.

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Are you looking for contract work? Are you looking to work in an office? Where do you live?

If you're asking about the US I don't think you have enough experience to get a job without a college degree.

-me

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I was wondering, what kind of experience are C++ like jobs.

This appears to be the only question in your post, but as tom says it isn't very clear what you mean. It could mean....
What is it like to work in a job writing C++, or
What jobs are there that need C++, or
What is it like to program with C++?
or something else?

If you can try to be clearer we will do our best to answer.

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I'm sorry, sometimes I do not make sense when I speak but it is quite rare. I am just trying to find out what experience in C++ based jobs. What kind of experience would the average job willing to accept. I'm looking more towards in Germany, Switzerland, Finland, etc. I'm located in US. I have no experience in this kind of career (job wise). So I can't really say, what I'd like but more like working for a long long time. There is one job near me, that allows you to work at home (no it's not one of those work at home scams). While they do also subsidiary in Europe as in Finland and Germany. I'm not really too fond of just email a job asking what kind of experience they are looking for. Because, I should really know. But, I don't really know. Hopefully, this is a better explanation.

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Umm, no. Not really better.

A job posting is looking for the experience they list in their posting. It's not exactly rocket science...


I agree, but what happens if they don't list that but just says send in your résumés and/or cv's?

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Umm, no. Not really better.

A job posting is looking for the experience they list in their posting. It's not exactly rocket science...


I agree, but what happens if they don't list that but just says send in your résumés and/or cv's?


Then send them in?

I can't say I've ever seen a job posting for a (legitimate, full time) software development position that didn't specify some sort of 'N years of Y' requirement.

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I guess I'll just send it in and just deal with it that a way. I guess I could also talk to some of my mates that have some that work for that company and try and see if I can find more information also.. Thanks, sorry if I wasted your time.

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Finland: The best place to live
the worst place to get a job.

I did the first but couldn't do the second. If you are not passionate about Finland, forget it.

In Finland, foreigners have hard times: they don't speak the lingo. So if you are passionate about it: have 3-5 years of WORK experience (and pretty good references) OR speak Finnish fluently (they say it's pretty hard to learn, I'm a Hungarian but it was hard for me too).
I had neither of it, so I failed. I know a guy, who literally fucked himself a job, but he had 3 years of LINUX programming experience (project leader tasks with freaking good references)+university degree.

For low level jobs: you will probably compete with 100-200 other applicants, 90% of them are Finns.

Okay, I'm not sure about IT, you might get lucky if you live and try to find a job in Finland (if you are not located in Finland, well....) for 6-12 months.

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I am just trying to find out what experience in C++ based jobs. What kind of experience would the average job willing to accept.

It depends on the level of the job. Some may require experience developing one or more projects in C++ or X years experience. Some, trainee positions, may just require an ability to program but no real C++ experience. The job advert or website should list what experience is required.

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I'm not really too fond of just email a job asking what kind of experience they are looking for. Because, I should really know.

How can you know if they didn't tell you? Different jobs require different levels of experience. The company should clearly list what experience and qualifications they require in the advert/website.

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I agree, but what happens if they don't list that but just says send in your résumés and/or cv's?

Then they aren't a very good company (or they are advertising for psychic programmers).

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I guess I could also talk to some of my mates that have some that work for that company and try and see if I can find more information also.

Yes talking to people who work there would seem to be by far the best solution - especially if they are friends.

You didn't say what your native language is or what language the company operate in? If it is English then I strongly urge you to get someone with a better grasp of English to review your resume/cover letter.

good luck.

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I agree, but what happens if they don't list that but just says send in your résumés and/or cv's?

Then they aren't a very good company (or they are advertising for psychic programmers).


Well, either that or perhaps they don't have any openings.
You could in this case try sending them an unsolicted application.

As to the mention of Germany, Switzerland, Finland etc.,
why do you want to work here? It goes for Europe as well as the US that
you're >way< better off with references, education or demos.

If you don't have any education it's still likely that you can fill a prestigeous
position by handing in a well-coded demo showcasing your skills.

But think about the way you word your application. Remember spaces, \n's and paragraphs.

-Good luck to you!

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My native language is English. Right now I'm studying German, because I'm wanting to move to Germany. I was just giving Finland. My German isn't that good, though I do have basic knowledge of the language. Only thing is killing me, is the lack of vocabulary and speaking it on the spot. I have a lot of German mates, so that's helping me with the language learning and having references.

Right now, I'm trying to study more of C++ through an ANSI C++ book, while learning more Python on the side. I started recently getting in to another project helping on an open source gaming engine. So I can try and experience working with others and diving into a big project.

Thank you guys for responding to my question. I appreciate the help a lot. :)

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My native language is English.

OK well I really hope this doesn't offend you but your posts above are the most poorly written and incomprehensible English I have seen in a very very long time. I seriously thought English was your second language (and not a very good second language at that).

Why is good written communication important?

Firstly good written communication is an essential part of the job application process as well as in the work place. If you were to submit a résumé or CV that were as poorly written as the posts above they would almost certainly go straight in the trash.

Secondly how do you expect to get the information you need in life when people can't understand you. It wasn't until your third or fourth post that anyone could understand what you were asking. If that was the level of English you used when you asked your question in other places it isn't any surprise people thought it was a joke. - Is that really what you want people to think of you?

There were at least 13 typos and grammatical errors in your posts above. Some so serious that they rendered your sentences meaningless. Maybe your English is excellent and you are just lazy and can't be bothered to write well in a web forum. If so I would urge you to think again. Not only is it rude to force people to struggle to comprehend you but it can also result in you simply not getting the information you want/need. Alternatively, if that really is the level of your written English I strongly suggest that you take classes to improve it. Written communication skills are an essential tool for life.

Once again I am sorry if the above offends you but I really think this is an important issue that you need to address.

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I don't take offence to it. I only struggle when trying to explain stuff. I am not good at that, well frankly never was, sadly. I do find it strange that on IRC and everything else, people can understand me perfectly well. Except when I'm trying to explain my code or whatever.

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I was really really bad at spelling when I was young. Then I got older and I was still really really bad. Eventually one day I decided to do something about it. I started using a spell checker, but not auto-correct. When a word was flagged as wrong I retyped it until I got it right. I also started making a note of words I couldn't spell and worked extra hard to learn them. That was years ago, before email software and browsers had built in spell checkers - that meant I had to type my emails in Word (it had a spell checker) and then copy them to my email. It was a real pain but my spelling improved... slowly. now it is just bad. Of course my email and browser have spell checkers now and I see more red underline than I would like but I keep working at it.

I don't know what your problem is. It maybe that you are rushing to get ideas from your head onto paper and so you get sloppy and miss out important words. Or it may be a poor vocabulary or weak understanding of grammar.
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I was wondering, what kind of experience are C++ like jobs.

If you can re-read this line from your first post and see why it doesn't make any sense then it is probably a speed issue. Rushing to get stuff written and not checking it properly (I have to triple check all my posts because I just miss words out). If you can't see what is wrong then it is a vocabulary/grammar issue or possibly even some issue with the way your brain processes the written word.

If it is speed, vocabulary or grammar that are the cause then you can improve by paying attention and practising. It won't happen overnight but it will improve, it just takes practise (and maybe going back and re-reading some grammar text books). I suggest you start out by trying to work out for yourself what your weakness is and practise to improve it. Give it some time - months not days. If it still doesn't improve then it could possibly be some issue similar to dyslexia. Talk to a doctor - there may well be techniques that can help improve things (going to take more practise I'm afraid) in the same way that speech therapists help people who stammer.

If you are 5'8" tall it doesn't matter how much you practise, you will never be 6'7". Reading, writing, programming, playing instruments, cooking etc. These things can all be improved dramatically just by practising.

Good luck

- and before anyone points out that I spelled practise wrong I am a Brit. That is how we spell it.

[Edited by - Obscure on September 30, 2010 11:32:11 AM]

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I really don't know why I write bad. I have forgotten all the rules of English. I don't remember a single one, I just know how to use it. I do type fast, I actually do use the spell checker though. What's funny is, I don't have spelling issues in German. I can spell perfectly. I do have some spelling in English, like necessary which I sometimes spell neccessary, etc. Don't worry, I tend to use British spelling over English, just looks better and what not. But, I understand. The line that you did point out, it was a typo and I was up all night so I blame it on that.

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