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What Does Everyone Think About The New Site Layout?

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[quote name='leiavoia' timestamp='1294866434' post='4757961']
You might say, "well everybody has broadband now." But if people really do want to view the site on a mobile device or iThing, then it's going to crawl.
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it's also a sizable hit to people with download caps on their phones.

The output is different for mobile devices as ips generates mobile sites automatically though, so it might not be a huge issue?
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[quote name='way2lazy2care' timestamp='1294867147' post='4757968']
[quote name='leiavoia' timestamp='1294866434' post='4757961']
You might say, "well everybody has broadband now." But if people really do want to view the site on a mobile device or iThing, then it's going to crawl.
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it's also a sizable hit to people with download caps on their phones.

The output is different for mobile devices as ips generates mobile sites automatically though, so it might not be a huge issue?
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The site is quite different when looking at it on my HTC Hero.


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[quote name='zer0wolf' timestamp='1294867371' post='4757972']
The site is quite different when looking at it on my HTC Hero.
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Can you tell how big the download is easily? I'm curious :3


On Topic: Did quotes become infinitely nestable again? I think it cut out quotes of quotes in replies when it started. I liked it, because some of these reply chains can get pretty excessive. Or perhaps make it so the highest level you can go to is 2-3 quotes?

How difficult would it be to add the multi-quote functionality to every reply button? I find it troublesome when there are so many clickable reply buttons everywhere but the two I want are all the way at the top or bottom of a page.
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[quote name='way2lazy2care' timestamp='1294868127' post='4757981']
On Topic: Did quotes become infinitely nestable again? I think it cut out quotes of quotes in replies when it started. I liked it, because some of these reply chains can get pretty excessive. Or perhaps make it so the highest level you can go to is 2-3 quotes?

How difficult would it be to add the multi-quote functionality to every reply button? I find it troublesome when there are so many clickable reply buttons everywhere but the two I want are all the way at the top or bottom of a page.
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Yea seems someone re-enabled that. I agree that if we can cap nests, we should.

It would be extremely difficult to modify the multi-quote behavior, maybe impossible. We are very reluctant to play around with base forum code we have access to as the more we gravitate away from the normal behavior of this forum the more we get back into the troubles we had maintaining our custom software with the old website. The best we can do in cases pertaining to base forum functionality is request a change from IPS in a later software update.
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[quote name='way2lazy2care' timestamp='1294868127' post='4757981']
Can you tell how big the download is easily? I'm curious :3
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Unfortunately, no. I have a company paid data plan and I can't monitor it. I can tell you it takes no longer than four seconds from clicking on the link in by bookmark widget to loading the browser and having the forum index up.


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[quote name='zer0wolf' timestamp='1294870482' post='4757996']
[quote name='way2lazy2care' timestamp='1294868127' post='4757981']
Can you tell how big the download is easily? I'm curious :3
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Unfortunately, no. I have a company paid data plan and I can't monitor it. I can tell you it takes no longer than four seconds from clicking on the link in by bookmark widget to loading the browser and having the forum index up.
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Spoofing the HTC's user agent in Firefox, 12.45 kB for the home page (that's only the HTML of course).
For some reason the software isn't detecting the use of my old iPhone 3G and loads the normal view. :(
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Does anyone know the criteria used to identify a post as 'active' for the Active Content page? It seems there is quite a disparity between active content and latest content, in that latest content is entirely up-to-date whereas active content is a splattering of new and older stuff and it updates less frequently.
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[quote name='szecs' timestamp='1294872883' post='4758032']
Could we go back to 25 posts per page? Or is there a setting somewhere?
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In your profile drop-down, select "My Settings" and then select the "Forum" tab to see the drop-downs for post and topic numbers visible per page
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[quote name='szecs' timestamp='1294872883' post='4758032']
Could we go back to 25 posts per page? Or is there a setting somewhere?
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In your "[url="http://www.gamedev.net/index.php?app=core&module=usercp&tab=forums"]user settings / forums[/url]", you can change the values of "posts/topics" per page.
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One thing I've started to discover about the new site is how well it aids the stalker in you.

I can seeeeee you. Heh
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[quote name='rip-off' timestamp='1294873529' post='4758047']
In your "[url="http://www.gamedev.net/index.php?app=core&module=usercp&tab=forums"]user settings / forums[/url]", you can change the values of "posts/topics" per page.
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I have to remember that you can send people straight to these locations with the generic URL that doesn't care what member ID your are or anything. I like this ability.
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[quote name='Wan' timestamp='1294872574' post='4758028']
Spoofing the HTC's user agent in Firefox, 12.45 kB for the home page (that's only the HTML of course).
For some reason the software isn't detecting the use of my old iPhone 3G and loads the normal view. :(
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You may want to try the [url=http://community.invisionpower.com/topic/311218-ips-introduces-iphone-app-for-ipboard-communities/]IPS iPhone app[/url]. I don't use an iPhone myself so I don't know how it works, but it could help.
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[quote name='Gaiiden' timestamp='1294870391' post='4757994']
It would be extremely difficult to modify the multi-quote behavior...
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Figured I might as well spell out what would need to be done here - when you reply to comments in journal posts (for example) you can hit the "Reply" link for multiple comments and it loads the quotes all up in your Reply Box at the bottom. So yes, perhaps we can combine the "Reply" and "MultiQuote" buttons on the forum into one. We remove the "MultiQuote" and change "Reply" to "Quote" and when you select "Quote" it loads the quote into the Fast Reply box rather than jumping to a Full Editor page. You should be able to load up multiple quotes into the Fast Reply box across pages. If you click "Add Reply" or "Use Full Editor" the Full Editor opens with all the quotes you have already selected.

Again I'm pretty sure, however, that this is a change we would have to request be made in the IP.Board software itself rather than something we can do.
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I just realised that [url="http://www.gamedev.net/topic/577183-anyone-seen-inception-yet/page__st__60"]old threads with HTML[/url] were brought across verbatim. That's awesome for not breaking anything in existing content.
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[quote name='d000hg' timestamp='1294854705' post='4757830']
So to be clear, taking time time to tell a user they're being offensive has no effect, but an anonymous down-rating does, when they can't even see what thread it was attached to? That says more about the community than the need for a rating system.[/quote]
Regardless of what it says about the community, offensive users quite often realize they're being offensive. Individual posters pointing [b]out even the obvious[/b] are easily ignored as "hypersensitive" or in need of thicker skin. Sometimes, they even have a point! But ratings shifted that from the easily dismissed individual to a summary of the community as a whole that happened to noticed their presence.

[quote]If you want a system where people simply ask questions, and answers given can be voted up/down by the community, that's called Stack Exchange. GD is more about discussion, not right/wrong answers, and should not try to encroach on SE... all these sites work best with big communities so let GD be the titan of [i]discussions[/i] and SE the titan of community-voted question answering.[/quote]
If you're saying we shouldn't sort thread discussions by post rating then great, I'm with you. "Stack Exchange does it therefore don't do it!" isn't a terribly convincing argument though. A [b]lot[/b] of the discussions in the technical forum would do just fine on stack overflow -- that we take a more general and discussion oriented focus is no reason to avoid improving our tools, even if those tools aren't terribly useful in each and every single thread. On top of that, we're already getting half the toolset in rating posts up.

But **** it, seems clear we're trying it anyways, and I'm not pointing out anything that hasn't been already pointed out ad nauseam in detail.

EDIT: An obscenity rewriter? Really? No, no, this won't do -- even staring it out is better than 'fark'.
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[quote name='Gaiiden' timestamp='1294876102' post='4758070']
[quote name='Gaiiden' timestamp='1294870391' post='4757994']
It would be extremely difficult to modify the multi-quote behavior...
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Figured I might as well spell out what would need to be done here - when you reply to comments in journal posts (for example) you can hit the "Reply" link for multiple comments and it loads the quotes all up in your Reply Box at the bottom. So yes, perhaps we can combine the "Reply" and "MultiQuote" buttons on the forum into one. We remove the "MultiQuote" and change "Reply" to "Quote" and when you select "Quote" it loads the quote into the Fast Reply box rather than jumping to a Full Editor page. You should be able to load up multiple quotes into the Fast Reply box across pages. If you click "Add Reply" or "Use Full Editor" the Full Editor opens with all the quotes you have already selected.

Again I'm pretty sure, however, that this is a change we would have to request be made in the IP.Board software itself rather than something we can do.
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I was thinking more along the lines of making the reply button do exactly what the reply button on the top or bottom does, but in individual posts it would also tag the given posts multi-quote toggle to on so it auto-replies to that.

But that, like was said before, is probably better served as a feature request to IPS than to mess with here lest upgradability be an issue in the future.


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As posted MUCH earlier in this thread and others, I've been working on my own theme for the site.

The version I'm actually using is a bit longer. I don't want the "feedback" button and eliminated the 120 pixel logo on top, but I kept them enabled in the style sheet I'm giving out.

I've posted it [url="http://www.gamedev.net/blog/812/entry-2249125-the-new-theme/"]on the blog[/url] for review and feedback.
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Hey Frob can you clue me in how to use your style sheet with Firefox? I'd like to see how these changes you're making actually look. Or post pictures. Thanks.
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