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Approve so far. Can you apply similar to the reply box? Not a huge deal because you use it less frequently, but if it's trivial to implement it might be nice.
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This should make quotes and code blocks nicer:
[attachment=944:changes.png]

[code].pln {
color: lightGrey;
}
.pun {
color: blue;
}
.kwd {
color: #1CF;
}
div.blockquote{
background: #1C1C1C;
border-color: #6FA987;
border-style: solid;
border-width: 1px 1px 1px 3px;
font-size: 0.9em;
margin: 0px;
margin-top: 0px;
}[/code]
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Thank you. This is so much easier on the eyes.

Only issue I see so far is you have a dark blue font for the "Share this topic" near the bottom of the page, right above the fast reply, which is really hard to read now. But other than that minor issue, everything seems fine.
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Definitely prefer this theme to the other one. I still think something needs to be done about the vertical space usage for the profile and awards though.
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[quote name='dwarfsoft' timestamp='1294721968' post='4757075']
Definitely prefer this theme to the other one. I still think something needs to be done about the vertical space usage for the profile and awards though.
[/quote]

Appears to be better now with smaller award icons. I did like how the old forums had the avatar in the top left of the box with the vertical bar with the user name coming out of it... Still, it's nice to see you guys improving things on the fly. Fantastic work!
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The post text is too low-contrast to the post background color in this theme; make the post background a little darker, and we'll be in business.
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I've dropped the background colour by a little bit, it should come through in a few minutes once the caches pick it up. We'll see how it looks.

I've also dropped post count display from the user info panels. I think it's a detrimental thing to display in a forum, because it causes people to post stupid off-topic stuff like 'OH HEY LOOK MY POST COUNT IS 1337 LOOOOOOOL' etc. It also has the benefit of reducing the space usage a little bit. Thoughts, anyone?
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Limited signatures to 100px. If they're taller than that, they should just get cut off.
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[quote name='Washu' timestamp='1294719350' post='4757052']
This should make [s][color="#8B0000"]quotes and code blocks[/color][/s] [color="#006400"][i]everything[/i] [/color]nicer:
...[code] border-width: 1px 1px 1px 3px;
font-size: 0.9em;
margin: 0px;
padding: 0px;
[/code]
[/quote]
Fixed.

I'm actually building my own custom .css to replace my old one in stylish for the site. The padding, margin, and font-size elements are by far my biggest complaints on the new site.

When I first started, I noticed lots of <div ... padding: 5px ... > <div ... margin-top=4px ... > < div ... height="way too much">[i]content[/i]</div></div></div>. A few items had 20+ pixels of useless padding around blocks. The lines of text ads are one such offender.

Just pruning those down gives me a much more readable site. The white space bothered my eyes much more than the color scheme.
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Code blocks are pretty difficult to read in black mode, just my opinion.

Dark purple and dark green on black doesn't really stand out very much, looks kind of weird.
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To fix news posts on front page...[code].post, ul.activity li {
background: #373737 repeat-x 0% 100%;
border-bottom: 1px solid #CFE3EF;
margin: 0px -10px;
padding: 1em 10px;}[/code]
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[quote name='karwosts' timestamp='1294724506' post='4757090']
Code blocks are pretty difficult to read in black mode, just my opinion.

Dark purple and dark green on black doesn't really stand out very much, looks kind of weird.
[/quote]
It was a quick hack to get them looking better.

If you have better suggestions, then contribute the CSS for them :)
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A few observations on colors and readable web text:

[Qualifications: i do this for a living. ]

[Caveat: Contains personal views; subject to opinion]

[b]Black text on white background:[/b] This is the highest contrast you can get and the easiest to read... or so some people claim. This works good for print but not web. Obviously, the bright white is not popular around here and that's because were talking about positive (emissive) color. Translation: it burns your eyes.
[b]
White text on black background:[/b] You would think this would solve all the problems of the opposite, but it doesn't. It creates bad eyestrain for me.

[b]Anything on midtoned background[/b]: congratulations, you've just cut the contrast down, which makes your eyes strain even more!
[b]
Best compromise IMNSHO:[/b] Black text (#000) on off-white or light grey (#DDD) works well for me. This is also the format of the old GDnet on my account settings. (Surprise!)

The current Black Alpha uses a midtone/dark grey for the posting area with white text. This is actually really hard for me to read. My eyes hurt less than staring at white, but strain more to see.

I would recommend a dark page background, but use a black-on-off-white scheme for the actual post content area.
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The whole point of this theme is to provide an option for those people who don't [i]like[/i] black-on-white, though. Basing it around black-on-white text would somewhat defeat the purpose.
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I like the deep black that shows in Washu's post. This gray-black is .... better than the bright default but not as good as the original black.

To add, original black background with gray-offset text would be great!
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The site masthead seems not to wrap on 1024x768 now. I've also collapsed down the userpicture in the top left to reclaim some vertical space. You [i]know[/i] what you look like.
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This black theme (albeit still work in progress) is total, absolute, complete and utter crap. Yet, it is waaay better than the standard theme. :D
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[quote name='frob' timestamp='1294723677' post='4757086']
Fixed.

I'm actually building my own custom .css to replace my old one in stylish for the site. The padding, margin, and font-size elements are by far my biggest complaints on the new site.

When I first started, I noticed lots of <div ... padding: 5px ... > <div ... margin-top=4px ... > < div ... height="way too much">[i]content[/i]</div></div></div>. A few items had 20+ pixels of useless padding around blocks. The lines of text ads are one such offender.

Just pruning those down gives me a much more readable site. The white space bothered my eyes much more than the color scheme.
[/quote]

Can you let me know when you finish it? I'd be curious to at least try your new one once ur finished :).
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There is way too much contrast with all the hard blacks and whites on the screen as it is. There is a lot of eye strain for me. I don't know why 98% of the web insists on using the darkest and brightest possible shades all the time.

I think a theme should be based on neutral gray. It would work in both light and dark viewing conditions. Use a site like Kuler.Adobe.com to help come up with nice color schemes that are easy on the eye.

http://kuler.adobe.com/#themes/search?term=tag%3Agrey <-
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I'm trying to address the column widths in the forum index with CSS rules... this is a bit hard because they don't really respect max-width on the TH elements, which seems to be the one place to easily set these.

Here's my best attempt so far, which relies on :nth-child since the views and replies columns don't have individual styles for me to latch onto -- something that can likely be fixed?

(Dropped into the top of black-theme.css)
[code]th.col_f_topic {
width: 650px;
}
th.col_f_starter {
width: 140px;
}
th:nth-child(4) {
width: 50px;
}
th:nth-child(5) {
width: 50px;
}
th.col_f_post {
width: 270px;
}[/code]

This prevents a lot of columns from taking up multiple lines when they don't need to in the widest view. It's far from perfect, but I think it's an improvement. Handling it directly in the HTML might work better -- the actual column sizes don't seem to have a direct relationship to what I'm actually specifying. Works in Chrome. IE keeps crashing when trying to open the local copy of the gdnet page I'm testing it on though, not a good sign :(

[b]EDIT:[/b] [url="http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/1218/clipboardt.png"]Before[/url] and [url="http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/6611/clipboardx.png"]After[/url]

[b]EDIT:[/b] Another problematic area: The comments section of blogs is grey-on-grey. Example:
[url="http://www.gamedev.net/blog/23/entry-2249112-48-hours-later-moving-forward/"]http://www.gamedev.net/blog/23/entry-2249112-48-hours-later-moving-forward/[/url] (no CSS fix (yet?))
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