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[quote name='AndrewBC' timestamp='1298841203' post='4779836']
Do you have something else to entertain you up on that vaporous high horse?
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It appears that by making what I feel was a valid, calm and reasonable objection to a post, I have now become the target. I'm quite okay with this although it does seem to me to detract from the point I was trying to make.

AndrewBC - are you of the opinion that objecting to someone being unfair counts as vapourous high-horsedness? What, in your esteemed option, doesn't count as vaporous high-horsedness?
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[quote name='AndrewBC' timestamp='1298841539' post='4779843']
Your snark is also amusing. :D
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Sorry, could you clarify what you mean? I'm afraid that putting a smiley at the end of a sentence doesn't actually mean a great deal to me.
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It's in reply to the same thing which I directed my vaporous high horse line. That you would bring up the tired "Don't you have anything better to do than participate in this conversation with me!?" as if you were somehow above such a judgement. Further snark based on making assumptions of usefulness of a person based on your very thorough personal review in the name of caring about the community is also directed to by my snark comment.

Don't get me wrong, though. I'm glad you care enough about the community to contribute such snark.

Smiley faces are purely for the sake of the women. Women love smiley faces.
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[quote name='mikeman' timestamp='1298839150' post='4779819']
Oh come on. "Maybe she wouldn't [b]bother sticking around"[/b] was an "honest commentary"? Whatever. That's trolling of the highest degree. All because he made a like-Ubunty thread?

The funny thing about people like MikeP is that they genuinely think they're intelligent. Sucks to be them in a decade or so, when they realize they're actually not.
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He is intelligent enough to be one of the main programmers behind a technology that put the final nail in the coffin of Managed DirectX (though it was pretty zombified before SlimDX came out) and is used by professional game studios. I'm sure you've done something equally impressive to warrant such an opinion of him that you would like to share with the world.

[quote name='Aardvajk' timestamp='1298840926' post='4779833']
Interesting. I vouch the opinion to a respected member of this site that something he posted was, in my humble opinion, "a bit harsh" and a bunch of lounge lizards who, from their posting history, don't actually seem to be doing anything productive, wade in on the behalf of someone who really doesn't require their input and help the topic descend into purile nonsense.

Do you not have anything better to do? Like actually doing some programming or something? Man, the fricking lounge.
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Trolling on an internet forum doesn't mean you can't be productive. I enjoy stirring the pot on the forums I frequent and my job pays me stacks of cash every week because I'm so productive at what I do.

And to be honest, I don't think there was any malice behind what he said. If memory servers he has been vocal about the lack of a rating system and being able to punish people that post comments like that. I think he is just reinforcing the point. And of course the OP should have realized the topic would have turned into a flame war in the first place.

Finally, I think people need to stop getting so butthurt about stuff like this. Its the internet, people post crap because they can (I know I do). If you don't like it then get over it and walk away. Its not like a couple of posts telling the guy he is bad is going to make him stop posting things like that. I do often wonder if people are just trying to be the morality police to make themselves feel better about their own situation.
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OK guys, I think that's enough now. My original post was basically a joke that may or may not have had a kernel of truth to it (as the best jokes always do). Too harsh? Maybe.

Anyway, the thread has run its course. It was amusing at first but now it's just pointless bickering. I appreciate both the people who stood up for me as well as those who voiced their displeasure. Discord is what makes life fun.
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[quote name='Mike.Popoloski' timestamp='1298842264' post='4779851']
Discord is what makes life fun.
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That and caffine and sugar highs... mmmmmm sugar highs...
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[quote name='phantom' timestamp='1298842955' post='4779852']
[quote name='Mike.Popoloski' timestamp='1298842264' post='4779851']
Discord is what makes life fun.
[/quote]

That and caffine and sugar highs... mmmmmm sugar highs...
[/quote]

all of these things are so much better than alcohol... <_<
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[quote name='MaulingMonkey' timestamp='1298840123' post='4779823']
[quote name='valderman' timestamp='1298824753' post='4779698']
[quote name='MaulingMonkey' timestamp='1298788719' post='4779554']
Funny you should mention [url="http://sheddingbikes.com/posts/1285063820.html"]python[/url]
[/quote]Disregarding the irony of a developer depending on Python 2.x complaining about distros are shipping old versions, why not simply put Python 2.6 as a dependency and explicitly specify #!/usr/bin/python2.6 rather than #!/usr/bin/python as the first line of any executable script?[/quote]
Oh, sure, you can hand pick a specific dependency revision and add the ability to compile it into your toolchain -- maybe even check it into your main repository for outright OCD levels of control.

That this kind of thing is necessary, however, defeats much of the purpose of having a central repository in the first place I'd argue, however, and certainly any convenience advantages of repositories over "downloading from websites". Don't get me wrong, the idea is great -- it's just that depending on a horde of (unpaid?) volunteers to keep all the relevant packages up to date and working cleanly, including for the "less common use cases" (such as multiple versions side by side), can add... significant delays and more.[/quote]Agreed.

[quote][quote](Also, complaining about incompatible "broken" Python versions when your application is written in Ruby, a language with no official specification, seems... odd.)[/quote]
Not too odd when you think about it. Python's been a bit more willing to aggressively improve (and in doing so, break backwards comparability) in their language. Just because Ruby lacks a spec doesn't mean it's less stable -- which is the main compounding factor for these matters, making version picking more important.[/quote]I'm no Ruby user myself, but I've heard Ruby people complaining not only that different implementations have different semantics, but also that different _actively developed_ versions of the reference implementation differ in their semantics, that doesn't sound very stable to me.

[quote]Even some of the linux users can be insightful. Unfortunately, this thread doesn't seem to be -- you're seriously trying to argue for linux on backwards compatibility grounds?[/quote]No, definitely not; I'm trying to argue against HURR DURR RETARD LUNIX DOOD SUX LOLZ. Linux has its shortcomings, but that's no reason to be a jackass towards someone just because he expresses a preference.

[quote]Try fiddling with window's comparability options next time.[/quote]I've spent countless hours doing just that, and trust me, there are a lot of applications that flat out don't work. It works quite well in general but sometimes it's just not enough.

[quote]Meanwhile, WineHQ calls [url="http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=3507"]this atrocious counter strike comparability[/url] "platinum". When it crashes and makes entire program features unusable, that's "silver". Hilarious.[/quote]Luckily for me, Counter strike is not one of the applications I want to run, and if I wanted to I'd just use my Windows machine. Wine can be really hit and miss, and what works on one setup might not on another. When it does work though, I find it works pretty well.
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Wow. You know I am not one to start threads this long. But several of you have posted some valid things. Some funny things, and some rude things.

Funny: I found copying my post and putting different references to it was funny. But I am calling my plagurism card on that. I want 5 buck. (Joke)

Rude: yes mike, saying my wife and I are dumb because we are using ubuntu and she should leave me was a bit rude. But I do appreciate that you said it was just a joke in the end. I am sure you reallu don't want people to break up a happy marriage with children right? I had some time to cool off from that and I had to realize that forums come with trolls. Its been a while since I participated regularly on a forum.

Valid points: yes, I could have adjusted windows settings or reinstalled it without the fluff. I also did buy a $400 walmart computer. Yes, my wife did want windows back when I first installed ubuntu. But after a few years, she realized that ubuntu was pretty easy to use. Yes, I does have some issues, but so does windows. She liked ubuntu because the stuff she uses most is already on a clean install. I like ubuntu because it quick to load, has an interface that's pleasent to me, and I can keep going on. I know that windows has better compatability for a lot of applications out there. but I do like how ubuntu is setup. For others, I am sure it is crap. For me and my wife, its good.

And with wine...almost never use it. I only mentioned it because telltail games came out with a back to the future adventure I wanted to try out. I can get it to run with wine and winetricks+directx. (Which was surprisingly easy to install)

I don't play a lot of newer games. Almost don't have much time to play games at all. I am a bigger fan of older games. Warcraft 1/2, eye of the beholder. For those, I use dos box. I don't need a super computer, just something that works and allows me to get my programming fix in.

Well, thanks for listening to my "like ubuntu" again. I was actually hoping to hear about why other guys or gals love their spouse. But oh well, maybe it is true, programmers don't have spouses. (Joke)
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[quote name='Enders' timestamp='1298853728' post='4779914']
I was actually hoping to hear about why other guys or gals love their spouse.
[/quote]

See, that's not how it came across.

It came across as 'we got a new computer with windows on it, we tried it, it was crap, we went back to what we knew, how can you put up with something this bad due to <list of reasons>? I'm so glad my wife is like me'.

Aka yet another linux user banging on about how great it is yawn yawn yawn...

If you had mentioned that key bit there I quoted this thread might have gone in a different direction... or Mike might have trolled you for the lulz anyway, who knows...
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Yeah, my bad. It was late at night when i wrote it and i was on my phone. I also didn't know the political storm between windows and linux around here. Now I know to tread lightly when saying I like Linux.

Now I feel like one of those guys on the game design thread saying I have an awesome game will somebody make it for me. :P
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[quote name='valderman' timestamp='1298848935' post='4779878']
I'm no Ruby user myself, but I've heard Ruby people complaining not only that different implementations have different semantics, but also that different _actively developed_ versions of the reference implementation differ in their semantics, that doesn't sound very stable to me.[/quote]
I've [b]personally[/b] bitched and complained that different actively developed compilers for the same 10+ year old C++ standard regularly differ in their semantics on a multitude of issues -- to say nothing of compiler extensions, which vary even more wildly.

This isn't to say Ruby (or even C++ for that matter) is a paragon of stability. In C++'s case, fortunately, the issues mostly relegate themselves to avoidable corner cases and features -- at least at this point. (In the past, we can think back to the VS6 era where compilers disagreed on basic language syntax like the owning scope of a for list initializer.)

This [b]is[/b] to say that limited anecdotes are of limited use to judge the stability of entire languages by, regardless of how very valid they are as bitching points and issues that would do well to be corrected. While my experience with both ruby and python is limited, I am under the impression that python has been much more aggressive in improving the language and the core API. They have an entire statement dedicated to making it easier to wrangle such ongoing, rapid changes: [url="http://docs.python.org/release/2.5.2/ref/future.html"]future statements[/url].

[quote]Luckily for me, Counter strike is not one of the applications I want to run, and if I wanted to I'd just use my Windows machine. Wine can be really hit and miss, and what works on one setup might not on another. When it does work though, I find it works pretty well.[/quote]
Luckily for me, I no longer wish to run it either, because I've been able to run it for the past 10 years on windows. That, and good servers for it have become fewer and farther between.
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[quote name='phantom' timestamp='1298855318' post='4779919']
See, that's not how it came across.[/quote]
It was in the thread title. I'm kinda surprised what happened to this thread. :mellow:
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[quote name='Tachikoma' timestamp='1298852570' post='4779904']
I'm yet to meet a woman who likes playing games, let alone use Ubuntu and get to adore her for it!
[/quote]

They are out there, I can vouch for this. Keep looking!
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[quote name='Fiddler' timestamp='1298902457' post='4780086']
[quote name='Tachikoma' timestamp='1298852570' post='4779904']
I'm yet to meet a woman who likes playing games, let alone use Ubuntu and get to adore her for it!
[/quote]

They are out there, I can vouch for this. Keep looking!
[/quote]

finding one that smells normal... That's the real trick...

/hides
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[quote name='way2lazy2care' timestamp='1298902692' post='4780088']
[quote name='Fiddler' timestamp='1298902457' post='4780086']
[quote name='Tachikoma' timestamp='1298852570' post='4779904']
I'm yet to meet a woman who likes playing games, let alone use Ubuntu and get to adore her for it!
[/quote]

They are out there, I can vouch for this. Keep looking!
[/quote]

finding one that smells normal... That's the real trick...

/hides
[/quote]

Never ever met a good-looking, good-smelling geeky girl? You don't know what you are missing...
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[quote name='Fiddler' timestamp='1298910411' post='4780140']
Never ever met a good-looking, good-smelling geeky girl? You don't know what you are missing...
[/quote]
Thanks for rubbing it on our face! :P
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I feel the time of OS's is waning, I see a new laptop from sony has an 'internet button' i.e. instead of booting up win7 u just press the button + u can surf the net in a quarter of the time.
Perhaps not the ppl on this site, but to the majority of PC users, the PC == the web
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[quote name='zedz' timestamp='1298921672' post='4780194']
I feel the time of OS's is waning, I see a new laptop from sony has an 'internet button' i.e. instead of booting up win7 u just press the button + u can surf the net in a quarter of the time.
Perhaps not the ppl on this site, but to the majority of PC users, the PC == the web
[/quote]

There will always be OS's. They'll obviously change, and they are right now, but they will always be there. To my understanding, the "web button" just boots a really light weight linux partition that exclusively runs internet browsers, so even that is running an OS.
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[quote name='zedz' timestamp='1298921672' post='4780194']
I feel the time of OS's is waning, I see a new laptop from sony has an 'internet button' i.e. instead of booting up win7 u just press the button + u can surf the net in a quarter of the time.
Perhaps not the ppl on this site, but to the majority of PC users, the PC == the web
[/quote]

I see the same thing! you can access the web from anywhere now and with all the web programs, you can pretty much do anything on the web now.
Games: Flash games, java games, html5 games.
Productivity: Google Docs
IT management: Remote desktop through flash, java, ajax, or html5
and a bunch more without needing to download client side programs.

And things that can get online with are increasing. Mobile Phones, Netbooks, Game Consoles, Laptops, Desktops, Tablets, Book Readers, TV's, Watches. Pretty soon anything with a LCD screen will have wifi or 3g connectivity :P
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[quote name='way2lazy2care' timestamp='1298923460' post='4780212']
There will always be OS's. They'll obviously change, and they are right now, but they will always be there. To my understanding, the "web button" just boots a really light weight linux partition that exclusively runs internet browsers, so even that is running an OS.
[/quote]Oh sure even your mobile phone from 10 years ago had an OS, but by OS I mean in the sense that we traditional/commonsensily? view them on the PC

[quote]Pretty soon anything with a LCD screen will have wifi or 3g connectivity[/quote]In 10 years time (perhaps even now) for some ppl the fridge/lights/oven etc will be connected to the net.
No more did I forget to turn off .... :)
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[quote name='zedz' timestamp='1298941031' post='4780360']
[quote name='way2lazy2care' timestamp='1298923460' post='4780212']
There will always be OS's. They'll obviously change, and they are right now, but they will always be there. To my understanding, the "web button" just boots a really light weight linux partition that exclusively runs internet browsers, so even that is running an OS.
[/quote]Oh sure even your mobile phone from 10 years ago had an OS, but by OS I mean in the sense that we traditional/commonsensily? view them on the PC

[quote]Pretty soon anything with a LCD screen will have wifi or 3g connectivity[/quote]In 10 years time (perhaps even now) for some ppl the fridge/lights/oven etc will be connected to the net.
No more did I forget to turn off .... :)
[/quote]

I can see it now.

[i]Manage your home appliances on your android or ios device! See their power consumption and monthly power charges. Easily turn them on or off at a push of a button![/i]


...how did this thread survive? And get so far off topic...
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