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"People who only know one world get really smarmy, and every time they hear about the complications in the other world, it makes them think that their world doesn't have complications. But they do. You've just moved beyond them because you are proficient in them. These worlds are just too big and complicated to compare any more. Lord Palmerston: "The Schleswig-Holstein question is so complicated, only three men in Europe have ever understood it. One was Prince Albert, who is dead. The second was a German professor who became mad. I am the third and I have forgotten all about it." The software worlds are so huge and complicated and multifaceted that when I see otherwise intelligent people writing blog entries saying something [url="http://www.winterspeak.com/2002_10_01_archive.html#85572348"]vacuous[/url] like "Microsoft is bad at operating systems," frankly, they just look dumb. Imagine trying to summarize millions of lines of code with hundreds of major feature areas created by thousands of programmers over a decade or two, where no one person can begin to understand even a large portion of it. I'm not even defending Microsoft, I'm just saying that big handwavy generalizations made from a position of deep ignorance is one of the biggest wastes of time on the net today."

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[font=arial, verdana, tahoma, sans-serif][size=2][quote name='Enders' timestamp='1298822451' post='4779685']
Wow, when i woke up this morning i only expected like one or two posts. Maybe something like: I like windows, or i like ubuntu too. Not someone who says that my wife and i are dumb-asses and my wife is going to dumb my ass for some stupid reason.

So SORRY for liking my wife's preference of operating systems. And SORRY you can't accept other's people choices even if they are in this 90% over generalized range you speak of.
[/quote]I think it's feeling the need to tell us your wife likes Ubuntu which is the problem. Why could you possibly even begin to think that anyone here would have the slightest interest? Because a girl likes Linux?

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[font=arial, verdana, tahoma, sans-serif][size=2][quote name='Enders' timestamp='1298822451' post='4779685']
Wow, when i woke up this morning i only expected like one or two posts. Maybe something like: I like windows, or i like ubuntu too. Not someone who says that my wife and i are dumb-asses and my wife is going to dumb my ass for some stupid reason.

So SORRY for liking my wife's preference of operating systems. And SORRY you can't accept other's people choices even if they are in this 90% over generalized range you speak of.
[/quote]I think it's feeling the need to tell us your wife likes Ubuntu which is the problem. Why could you possibly even begin to think that anyone here would have the slightest interest? Because a girl likes Linux?

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[/quote]I don't think very many people are all that interested in owl's dead pixel or the two self introduction threads currently on the first page either, yet I don't see those getting flamed into oblivion.

The problem is not that people don't care, but that people DO care. A lot. The slightest mention of Linux on GDNet tends to turn usually intelligent and helpful people into rabid OS fanboys. (Which is curious, since the usual state of affairs is that Linux people make up the majority of the rabid fanboys.)
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To indulge the OP:
A good friend of mine started using Linux many years ago after having seen me tinker. He currently lives with his fiancee who plays the organ in a church and pretty much organizes any music (the choir, inviting "classical bands" some nights etc). They have at least 5 PCs or so (a media server, media player, one or two office computers and a laptop, he's a collector), all running Ubuntu (I think he is trying Arch on the laptop atm) during the day with the power horses dual booting to Windows for hefty games. Even though his fiancee is not a computer monster (she does what "normal people do" on computers), she really likes Ubuntu and have no issues or complaints about it. My good friend takes care of tech related issues anyway, and afaik that's a rather lazy "job". Wouldn't dare say this is the reason they love each other, but they both use Linux and they live a happy life together.

For the nervy people: She is really pretty too... And does not smell funny!

Aah, online communities, the metal grater back rub.
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[quote name='valderman' timestamp='1298985081' post='4780518']
The problem is not that people don't care, but that people DO care. A lot. The slightest mention of Linux on GDNet tends to turn usually intelligent and helpful people into rabid OS fanboys. (Which is curious, since the usual state of affairs is that Linux people make up the majority of the rabid fanboys.)
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Not really; people have mentioned Linux or Apple before now without it going off into flames. The problems happen depending on tone and content of posts; often things break into flames when someone states that X > Y REGARDLESS of context.

Saying "I prefer X because of Z' isn't going to result in a flame war, it might result in a debate where people point out the alternatives or flaws in reasoning but the statement on its own isn't going to cause it. Saying "I prefer X because of Z therefore everyone who uses Y is wrong." (either implied or otherwise stated) and applying it in a blanket situation without context IS going to result in a flamewar if only because one group point out cases where that doesn't hold true and the other [person|group] refuse to see this point.

Which brings us back to this thread where the OP's tone in the first is along the same lines; tried windows, it was broken and thus was implied that because his wife liked it those of us who don't use it are somehow 'wrong' for using Win7 which he seems to think is cluttered etc. which smacks of classic Linux User Superiority which many people (probably on both sides of the fence) are pretty sick of.

Now, it turns out this wasn't the OPs intent, his intent seemed to be that he wanted to say why he loves his wife and find out why others love theirs; however as this wasn't implied in the thread in any way (no, the thread title does not imply he wanted other feedback to the same effect) it is why it went the way it did. If he had included that and maybe dropped some of the pointless bashing, which lets face it EVERY OS has reasons to 'bash' on them which are frankly trival and more often than not personal 'issues' more than technical ones, we wouldn't be here now.

Reasoned debate is possible, right up until one of the parties throws reason out the window.
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[quote name='phantom' timestamp='1298986162' post='4780525']
Which brings us back to this thread where the OP's tone in the first is along the same lines; tried windows, it was broken and thus was implied that because his wife liked it those of us who don't use it are somehow 'wrong' for using Win7 which he seems to think is cluttered etc. which smacks of classic Linux User Superiority which many people (probably on both sides of the fence) are pretty sick of.
[/quote]OP basically says "my wife liked Windows before, but she didn't like W7 and I didn't either for reasons X, Y and Z, so now we use Ubuntu and that's awesome" - Linux User Superiority? Give me a break! Calling his post "pointless bashing" is just lame; if someone had said that Ubuntu is slow, clunky and has an inferior way of managing software, I think you'd have called that relevant criticism rather than "pointless bashing."

While many Linux users - especially new Ubuntu converts - tend to be quite vocal and extremely annoying about their OS of choice, claiming that there is no anti-Linux bias in the lounge is ridiculous.
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