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d000hg    1199
I have a Wii without the Motion-plus, and a PS3 without Move. For games that really use motion-sensing properly, which would be best? My concern is that Wii is graphically far inferior but all games are designed to support motion-controllers. Whereas the PS3 is better hardware but games that support Move may do so rarely, or as a gimmick.

I don't want to get an XBox so Kinect is out... but I can upgrade either of my consoles quite cheaply. I'm thinking of sports games like tennis & golf which really benefit from the motion controller, rather than games which try to find a way to [i]use[/i] it - for regular games the standard PS3 controller is fine.

This isn't meant to be a discussion on motion-controllers in general as a useful feature... but for those of us who [i]do[/i] like them which route is best in terms of titles and hardware?

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Machaira    1033
[quote name='d000hg' timestamp='1300287445' post='4786534']
I have a Wii without the Motion-plus, and a PS3 without Move. For games that really use motion-sensing properly, which would be best? My concern is that Wii is graphically far inferior but all games are designed to support motion-controllers. Whereas the PS3 is better hardware but games that support Move may do so rarely, or as a gimmick.

I don't want to get an XBox so Kinect is out...
[/quote]
So you've got a inferior console, one that doesn't support motion control well, and eliminated the best console with motion control for some arbitrary reason which you don't state. WTF?!? [img]http://public.gamedev.net/public/style_emoticons/default/blink.gif[/img] [img]http://public.gamedev.net/public/style_emoticons/default/dry.gif[/img]

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Bigdeadbug    173
Erm for sporty games i guess the Wii is best. It will have a bigger game library for that sort of thing, for the moment at least. Having said that i have only played the Wii and Kinect. If at some point you can i would certainly say the Kinect is a good investment (well so long as you have a great hall as a living room :P ).

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Hodgman    51234
I'd look at the [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_games_compatible_with_PlayStation_Move"]list of titles[/url] that are out on the move and see if any really interest you.
[quote name='Machaira' timestamp='1300304325' post='4786710']
So you've got a inferior console, one that doesn't support motion control well, and eliminated the best console with motion control[/quote]Wow. Fanboism much?
Kinnect is a whole different kettle of fish to Wii/Move - you can't really compare them to say that one is better.
It's like saying that steering wheels are better than arcade controllers -- do you want to play street fighter or GT?
For example, games like Metroid or Zelda are (almost) impossible on Kinnect, but work well on a Wii/Move controller. Some games need a few buttons as well as arm waving.

[edit]The simplest way to compare them is that Kinnect captures elbow movements ([i]and knees/shoulders/hips[/i]), while move/wii capture wrist movements.

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d000hg    1199
[quote name='Machaira' timestamp='1300304325' post='4786710']
[quote name='d000hg' timestamp='1300287445' post='4786534']
I have a Wii without the Motion-plus, and a PS3 without Move. For games that really use motion-sensing properly, which would be best? My concern is that Wii is graphically far inferior but all games are designed to support motion-controllers. Whereas the PS3 is better hardware but games that support Move may do so rarely, or as a gimmick.

I don't want to get an XBox so Kinect is out...
[/quote]
So you've got a inferior console, one that doesn't support motion control well, and eliminated the best console with motion control for some arbitrary reason which you don't state. WTF?!? [img]http://public.gamedev.net/public/style_emoticons/default/blink.gif[/img] [img]http://public.gamedev.net/public/style_emoticons/default/dry.gif[/img]
[/quote]Let's enumerate your stupidity?

[list=1][*]I don't want to spend $hundreds on a new console with Kinect when the other two options are far cheaper[*]There are no Kinect games available yet really[*]I don't want to have 3 consoles or ditch one I already have games for[*]My living room isn't big enough for kinect[*]etc[/list]
I don't think Wii is inferior to anyone who doesn't consider graphics the most important thing either. For games like tennis/golk, I'd also suggest holding a controller in your hand is more realistic than a controller-free system.

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ktuluorion    393
[quote name='d000hg' timestamp='1300287445' post='4786534']
I have a Wii without the Motion-plus, and a PS3 without Move. For games that really use motion-sensing properly, which would be best? My concern is that Wii is graphically far inferior but all games are designed to support motion-controllers. Whereas the PS3 is better hardware but games that support Move may do so rarely, or as a gimmick.

I don't want to get an XBox so Kinect is out... but I can upgrade either of my consoles quite cheaply. I'm thinking of sports games like tennis & golf which really benefit from the motion controller, rather than games which try to find a way to [i]use[/i] it - for regular games the standard PS3 controller is fine.

This isn't meant to be a discussion on motion-controllers in general as a useful feature... but for those of us who [i]do[/i] like them which route is best in terms of titles and hardware?
[/quote]


I have a Wii and PS3. I was never quite happy with the Wii, so I tried Move on PS3. My opinion? I love it! It's everything that I wanted from Wii - high precision, the great graphics that PS3 already had, cool games...

I highly recommend it. The system is pretty much 100% accurate, as opposed to the flailing around and halfway accurate approach that seems to come from Wii. For instance, in "The Fight", you need to punch like a real person and it perfectly mimics it. With boxing games on the wii, you can do other motions to "fool" it.

The only thing is that you mentioned that it is "Cheap" to do Move.. that wasn't my case at all. Look at it this way -- you get the starter pack for 100$, an extra controller (many games require 2 for one player), 50$, then 2 more controllers so another player can play, $100 more, then a game.. 50$... $300!!!!!

For my purposes, Ps3 move is way better than Kinect(games dont match with my interests), and Wii(Inferior technology).

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way2lazy2care    790
[quote name='ktuluorion' timestamp='1300468957' post='4787562']
For my purposes, Ps3 move is way better than Kinect(games dont match with my interests), and Wii(Inferior technology).
[/quote]

Have you tried dance central (preferably drunk with friends)? It's a life changing experience.

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ktuluorion    393
[quote name='way2lazy2care' timestamp='1300471297' post='4787582']
[quote name='ktuluorion' timestamp='1300468957' post='4787562']
For my purposes, Ps3 move is way better than Kinect(games dont match with my interests), and Wii(Inferior technology).
[/quote]

Have you tried dance central (preferably drunk with friends)? It's a life changing experience.
[/quote]


I have SingStar Dance, and though I haven't manage to terrorize friends with it yet, I have played with my wife watching and she gets a huge kick out of it.

I've performed such hits as "Step By Step" and "Poker Face" lol.

..And.. I just admitted that on a public forum.. :)

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Alpha_ProgDes    6921
[quote name='d000hg' timestamp='1300355936' post='4786931']
[quote name='Machaira' timestamp='1300304325' post='4786710']
[quote name='d000hg' timestamp='1300287445' post='4786534']
I have a Wii without the Motion-plus, and a PS3 without Move. For games that really use motion-sensing properly, which would be best? My concern is that Wii is graphically far inferior but all games are designed to support motion-controllers. Whereas the PS3 is better hardware but games that support Move may do so rarely, or as a gimmick.

I don't want to get an XBox so Kinect is out...
[/quote]
So you've got a inferior console, one that doesn't support motion control well, and eliminated the best console with motion control for some arbitrary reason which you don't state. WTF?!? [img]http://public.gamedev.net/public/style_emoticons/default/blink.gif[/img] [img]http://public.gamedev.net/public/style_emoticons/default/dry.gif[/img]
[/quote]Let's enumerate your stupidity?

[list=1][*]I don't want to spend $hundreds on a new console with Kinect when the other two options are far cheaper[*]There are no Kinect games available yet really[*]I don't want to have 3 consoles or ditch one I already have games for[*]My living room isn't big enough for kinect[*]etc[/list]
I don't think Wii is inferior to anyone who doesn't consider graphics the most important thing either. For games like tennis/golk, I'd also suggest holding a controller in your hand is more realistic than a controller-free system.


[/quote]
[b]Let's pretend you didn't read the title. [/b]

The title says: "Best platform for motion-sensing games". Xbox and the Kinect are superior as far as hardware and platform. All 3 go about motion-sensing differently. However the Xbox is the most sophisticated of the 3. So my vote is Xbox. Now to keep it within the options the OP laid out, I'd go for the Move. Red Steel has been tried twice with the Wii (with and without the MotionPlus) and both times motion-sensing has been said to be lacking.

By the way, you spelled "golf" wrong.

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XXChester    1364
No games for the Kinect? Someone isn't doing their homework. Also note you do not need an XBox for Kinect, you can very easily buy a kinect and use it on your computer which is where a lot of the interest appears to be (the capabilities for a computer vs a console).

Just my 2 cents.

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d000hg    1199
[quote name='XXChester' timestamp='1300718632' post='4788666']
No games for the Kinect? Someone isn't doing their homework. Also note you do not need an XBox for Kinect, you can very easily buy a kinect and use it on your computer which is where a lot of the interest appears to be (the capabilities for a computer vs a console).

Just my 2 cents.
[/quote]Kinect on a non-XBox platform is unofficial right now and therefore fairly meaningless for this discussion. Not to mention, for games all the money from serious players is on XBox titles. As far as Kinect games, it's brand new and we know new technology requires a period of maturation for good games which aren't gimmicky.

The biggest issue is simply that Kinect requires more space than I have in the room. It's a non-starter.


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XXChester    1364
Agreed that it is not officially supported yet on non-XBox platforms...but it isn't on XBox either to indie developers. Sometime this spring though Microsoft is releasing a Kinect SDK which should than be officially supported on windows and the XBox. But yes if you do not have the 6-8feet in front of your TV than the kinect is out (unless you have that room in front of your computer).

Also note that just because something is not officially supported yet does not mean you cannot already start building a game/application around that technology or even using the hacked versions now to get a feel for how it works and than port it to the official SDK when it is released.

But that is neither here nor there sense Kinect is not one of your options. Best of luck with whatever you decide.

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d000hg    1199
I'm looking as a game-player, not a developer. Everything I've read makes Kinect sound like a real winner from MS but it ain't my option right now... maybe next time new consoles come out and I get something new...

For now I think I made the choice to simply upgrade my Wii to MotionPlus. I only use the Wii for games that benefit from motion-controls anyway (the PS3 is best for regular games) and as such, this article made me consider that Wii is simply the stronger platform from my options:

[url="http://uk.wii.ign.com/articles/993/993199p1.html"]Tiger Woods PGA Tour 10 Review[/url]

[quote]You will not find a better game of golf on any system, period.[/quote]

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