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OneThreeThreeSeven

Who had the lowest rep w/ the new system?

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Some user that got banned at -66 rep now has -140 or something...BB and then some numbers was his username (BB1965 or something?). I think he was just trolling.
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BB1995, and she's the lowest I've seen with the new system. I think that aersixb9 also got pretty low before he was banned.
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Yeah, Aersix was like, -49 or something when he was banned (I think).
It does seem like it's a bit easy to intentionally bombard someone with negative rep, especially if you have a few friends. Couldn't you just run by every post they have (via searching the forums or something) and rate it down?
If so, it doesn't sound very troll-proof.
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[quote name='GHMP' timestamp='1302976229' post='4799190']
Yeah, Aersix was like, -49 or something when he was banned (I think).
It does seem like it's a bit easy to intentionally bombard someone with negative rep, especially if you have a few friends. Couldn't you just run by every post they have (via searching the forums or something) and rate it down?
If so, it doesn't sound very troll-proof.
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Well, you can only rate up or rate down 'x' number of posts a day (I think 5?).

Also, you probably want to read [url="http://www.gamedev.net/topic/599757-thumbs-up-bro/page__view__findpost__p__4799193"]this post[/url] of mine.
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The new system is definitely an improvement over the old one though still not perfect. I've only gotten down rated 3 times for unclear reasons.
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I lost all my ratings after the transition. My reputation has been acting up since then so I'm not paying much attention to it anymore.
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OP is at -14 already. Were you curious how low it could go? :unsure: As I mentioned before the "trick" is to post and answer questions in for beginners or the other forums. Pretty easy questions usually. Then you can take your points and "spend" them in the lounge.
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[quote name='Sirisian' timestamp='1302997861' post='4799313']
OP is at -14 already. Were you curious how low it could go? :unsure: As I mentioned before the "trick" is to post and answer questions in for beginners or the other forums. Pretty easy questions usually. Then you can take your points and "spend" them in the lounge.
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No, I saw a user named Fl4sh (banned) with -66 so that's why I asked.

But what's the point of a -rep system if admins just ban you? O_O
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lol! I just noticed that the aforementioned BB1995's reputation (which I watched go from -17 to -95 in just one day) has gone back to 0 since she was (rightly) banned. Problems with rep maybe?
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[quote name='SimonH' timestamp='1303013264' post='4799367']
lol! I just noticed that the aforementioned BB1995's reputation (which I watched go from -17 to -95 in just one day) has gone back to 0 since she was (rightly) banned. Problems with rep maybe?
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Reputation can go below zero now.. we just don't show it. This was done to address some problems some people had with early negative perceptions.. since there is no grace period for users they can get slammed fairly quickly if they don't fit the mold most people tend to expect for these forums.
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[quote name='OneThreeThreeSeven' timestamp='1303003526' post='4799331']
But what's the point of a -rep system if admins just ban you? O_O
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We don't ban people based on reputation, we ban people for bad or anti-social behaviour, and only in cases where the offending behaviour is repeated after warnings have been issued or for particularly bad offences. It just so happens that banned users often happen to have a low reputation because the community objects to the same behaviour we have warned and banned them for.

Unless you do something really bad (posting porn or signing up just to spam might be examples) you would usually receive several warnings, and perhaps be temporarily suspended once or more before we resort to a ban.

To provide a concrete example, the aforementioned BB1995 was unofficially warned (that is, told in-topic to behave, but no official warning was recorded) a number of times, given 4 official warnings, temporarily suspended for 7 days once, and was [i]then[/i] banned. They were trolling with pointless and/or simple-to-answer topics in which they then complained about the legitimate responses they were given and/or simply ignored the replies, and were abusive to other members and/or staff a number of times. The low reputation is a result of the community objecting the this behaviour, and is independent of the user being banned.
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[quote name='Michael Tanczos' timestamp='1303014538' post='4799370']
Reputation can go below zero now.. we just don't show it. [/quote]

So now it is impossible to distinguish between someone new on the forums and someone who is persistently hostile and has already proven on numerous occasions to give unsafe or counterproductive advice?
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Mike add a subtle CSS opacity value of (rating > -10 ? 1 : (rating < -80 ? 0.2 : (100 + rating) / 100)) to posts. That should fix things. ;)
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[quote name='BitMaster' timestamp='1303026846' post='4799404']
[quote name='Michael Tanczos' timestamp='1303014538' post='4799370']
Reputation can go below zero now.. we just don't show it. [/quote]

So now it is impossible to distinguish between someone new on the forums and someone who is persistently hostile and has already proven on numerous occasions to give unsafe or counterproductive advice?
[/quote]That's a pretty good point really -- perhaps you could consider showing the real value again once it gets below a certain threshold; say -10 or so. You then get a bit of both world, where new users aren't affected immediately by a couple of down-votes, but so that consistently being down-voted shows up. Genuinely unpopular posts do still show up though, as it's just the total reputation that has been clamped (and I don't think it has been in the profile, only the forums??), the per-post votes will still show up on each post now that part has been fixed.
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[quote name='jbadams' timestamp='1303043753' post='4799452']
[quote name='BitMaster' timestamp='1303026846' post='4799404']
[quote name='Michael Tanczos' timestamp='1303014538' post='4799370']
Reputation can go below zero now.. we just don't show it. [/quote]

So now it is impossible to distinguish between someone new on the forums and someone who is persistently hostile and has already proven on numerous occasions to give unsafe or counterproductive advice?
[/quote]That's a pretty good point really -- perhaps you could consider showing the real value again once it gets below a certain threshold; say -10 or so. You then get a bit of both world, where new users aren't affected immediately by a couple of down-votes, but so that consistently being down-voted shows up.
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To counter that, I find rep goes down based more upon having a non-popular opinion on a subject than the validity of what your saying regardless of hostility. For some reason I've actually found that rep moves slower with the new system than the old one, which is odd because it's so much easier to down or up vote people.

The only problem I have with the rep system now is that rep tag of "Excellent" is the same for someone with 32 rep as 1000 rep. Not that I mind having excellent rep, but it kind of cheapens the feeling of it a little.
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[quote]To counter that, I find rep goes down based more upon having a non-popular opinion on a subject than the validity of what your saying regardless of hostility. [/quote]
Indeed. There is an asshole who rates me down every time I criticize down-rating. Should I stop saying that because he is an asshole? I DON'T THINK SO. :)

Remove downrating privileges from assholes and make Jebus smile.
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In my experience, rep of people who did not participate in the more controversial lounge discussions was highly indicative of the expected quality of content in posts of those people. Generally when I observed it, having a controversial opinion was only a problem if you were unable substantiate the opinion with verifiable facts or completely ignored facts on the opposing opinion side during the discussion.
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I am shooting for triple neg digits. If a bunch of people who take 5 years to get std::cout << "WHY ISNT THIS WORKING" << std::endl; compiled hate me that much I am doing the right thing!

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