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Osama Bin Laden is Dead.

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It's been far too long coming. He was a threat not only to America, but to the entire world. If he had succeeded in destroying us, he would have only found someone else to hate. Such was the sorry bastard's mentality.

For freedom, and rest in pieces you sorry sack of ****.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/02/osama-bin-laden-dead-obama
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10 years! I bought a round for the bar I was in.

Oh, also, May 1st is the 66'th anniversary of the discovery of Adolph Hitler's death. Technically, he died on April 30th, but he was found today.
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10 years! I can't believe it. My buddy got the message first from checking Drudge Report. I immediately bought a round for the bar. ESPN started showing shots of people at the Phillies v. Mets game getting the news on their phones. People at the bar who were asking me if I was serious started getting text messages. Within 10 minutes, everyone was good and convinced.

Historical note: Adolph Hitler's dead body was discovered on May 1st, 1945 (though technically his date of death is April 30th). 66 years later, another asshole murderer dead.
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Just saw Obamas' live speech when I got up this morning. Good riddance. One cowardly mass murderer less on the planet. I hope he won't become a martyr.

10 years is indeed a long time. While certainly not the end of terrorism, it will finally close an important symbolic chapter and give at least some justice to all those who lost someone on 9/11 or through another act of terrorism initiated and sponsored by this individual.
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Wow, that is kind of crazy. They did mention that Bin Laden was actually dead for awhile and that this news may be up to a week old. It'd be crazy if it was April 30th as well. Either way, it's a pleasure to finally see this news. This was one of the few Obama speeches that I have heard and will not forget.
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Wow... cant say more than that.

This is kind of not the time, but I reakon Obamas second term is secured now, no republicans can place him as the typical pacifist, unwilling to act democrat now.

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[quote name='Hodgman' timestamp='1304317908' post='4805303']
He's been dead for years.... why'd they finally decide to make it official [i]now[/i]?
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What makes you think he's been dead for years?
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Very good news and well done the guys to who got him.

I doubt that he's been dead for a while, AQ or some similar organization would've done something like step up attack against coalition forces in either Iraq or Afghanistan in revenge and would've made it well known why they were doing it.
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[quote name='cowsarenotevil' timestamp='1304319738' post='4805305']What makes you think he's been dead for years?[/quote]French, Australian, Saudi and Pakistani intelligence said so.
Afghan President Hamid Karzai said so.
Pakistani presidents Asif Ali Zardari and Pervez Musharraf said so.
Boston University and the Australian National University said so.
FBI Counterterrorism chief Dale Watson said so.
The CIA disbanded it's Bin Laden unit five years ago.[quote name='Smeagol' timestamp='1304320533' post='4805306']I doubt that he's been dead for a while, AQ or some similar organization would've done something like step up attack against coalition forces in either Iraq or Afghanistan in revenge and would've made it well known why they were doing it.[/quote]He reportedly died peacefully of disease + natural causes, not coalition bombs.
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[quote name='Hodgman' timestamp='1304322022' post='4805311']He reportedly died peacefully of disease + natural causes, not coalition bombs.
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I'm not convinced, that would be more likely to be intentional misinformation/misdirection. If he'd been dead for so long there would've been very little real gain to be had reporting his death now.

The case went cold for a long time, if the reports on the BBC are to be believed, people became aware of where he might be around a year a go but as these sort of things take time progress was slow, and, the weren't sure he was inside the compound until they got inside.

The only way for these reports to be proven false would be for AQ to provide proof that OBL died years ago, which they wouldn't even if they could. They could release another OBL video, but again this could be forged easily so would prove nothing.

People will have to take the story on face value, either believe it or not.
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[quote name='Smeagol' timestamp='1304326068' post='4805322']If he'd been dead for so long there would've been very little real gain to be had reporting his death now.[/quote]This kind of domestic good will isn't really "very little"[quote name='gretty' timestamp='1304316772' post='4805300'][i] I reakon Obamas second term is secured now[/i][/quote][img]http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2011/05/02/1226048/522721-us-celebrates-death-of-bin-laden.jpg[/img]

[quote]The only way for these reports to be proven false would be for AQ to provide proof that OBL died years ago[/quote]The only way for today's reports to be proven true would be for the US to show us the body, which they [url="http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics/nation/osama-bin-laden-dead-body-buried-at-sea-report/articleshow/8142077.cms"]apparently have already buried at sea[/url]... Convenient...
Too bad that he'll never get to be tried by an American court for 9/11 now as well, having instead been assassinated.
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While I agree that it would have been better to try that bastard, I'm gonna paraphrase Jon Stewart and say there's one less homicidal cave-dwelling dickface sharing the planet today, and that can't be bad news.

So can we drop the pointless airline security measures and the civil liberty violations now?
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[quote name='Hodgman' timestamp='1304328320' post='4805325']The only way for today's reports to be proven true would be for the US to show us the body, which they [url="http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics/nation/osama-bin-laden-dead-body-buried-at-sea-report/articleshow/8142077.cms"]apparently have already buried at sea[/url]... Convenient...
Too bad that he'll never get to be tried by an American court for 9/11 now as well, having instead been assassinated.
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Well, it could be argued that it's better in the long run to kill him (reports suggest OBL opened fire on the team so got shot, as opposed to assassinated) rather than end up with the long drawn out affair they had with Saddam with people getting kidnapped and murdered in an attempt to either secure his release or affect the out come of any trial, though he'd have never got a fair trial anyway.

There are several good reason why he might have been buried at sea.
1 - No marked grave to become a shrine to his followers and no chance of people "stealing" his body
2 - There is a certain time frame that Muslims should be buried with in

He praised 9/11 , did you expect the US to let him get away with this? They've sent a message to naughty men everywhere that they can be found and dealt with and that the US is capable of playing the long game.
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[quote name='Hodgman' timestamp='1304328320' post='4805325'][img]http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2011/05/02/1226048/522721-us-celebrates-death-of-bin-laden.jpg[/img]
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"HURRR DURRR, HE'S DEAD, HURR DURRR!"
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[quote name='Obscure' timestamp='1304332257' post='4805337']
[quote name='Smeagol' timestamp='1304329668' post='4805330']
He praised 9/11 , did you expect the US to let him get away with this? They've sent a message to naughty men everywhere that they can be found and dealt with and that the US is capable of playing the long game.
[/quote]All of which will mean nothing to the next wave of anti-American extremists who are recruited as a direct result of the death of this "martyr". Someone else will step into his shoes and the "war" will carry on as before because US troops are "occupying" [insert name of country here] or supporting their enemy.

All this announcement is is a Fox News sized sound bite. It's as meaningful as George W announcing "the War in Iraq is over". No one with half a brain believed him then no one that isn't a Fox News viewer will believe that Osama's death makes any difference. All the US has done is killed the monster they made in the first place (but the mad dog has bred and its offspring are everywhere). General Noriega, Saddam Hussain, and Osama. All either trained by or funded by the US and all turned around to bite the US. Even if this was actually "one less enemy" America will simply replace him by creating a new enemy through their foreign policy.
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True 1 dead extremist has achieved nothing other than making Americans feel good, I can't see his death recruiting any more extremists than the Wests ongoing operations in places like Afghanistan. The radical elements of the religion of peace were angry yesterday, I doubt they'll be much more angry today. OBL was little more than a figure head for the "idea" of AQ.

It's more telling that they managed to carry out an operation with a firefight that lasted 40 minutes so close to a Pakastani Military Academy without any involvement from Pakastani agencies.
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Honestly. What makes this moron so special beyond the attention you put onto him? He's (was?) no more than a pawn between us. If not, ask Sheldon. He can hack the pentagon and tie a nuke to his chest over a card trick.

I bet he could also hijack an airplane given enough psychological pressure.

Your enemy is dead = good.
Are you safe from yourselves = no.
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[quote][color=#1C2837][size=2]All this announcement is is a Fox News sized sound bite. It's as meaningful as George W announcing "the War in Iraq is over". No one with half a brain believed him then no one that isn't a Fox News viewer will believe that Osama's death makes any difference[/size][/color][/quote]

Nobody's claiming its over. President Obama made it very clear in his speech that anti-terrorist operations will continue. This might make him a Martyr, but Al-Qaeda have lost a key figure. Osama bin Laden was crucial to them as a figurehead, as a symbol of defiance against the west, and as somebody to organize and mobilize them. With him alive they could feel untouchable, feel like they have beaten their enemies. Now that he's dead I think they might sleep a little less soundly.

[quote][color=#1C2837][size=2]General Noriega, Saddam Hussain, and Osama. All either trained by or funded by the US and all turned around to bite the US. Even if this was actually "one less enemy" America will simply replace him by creating a new enemy through their foreign policy. [/size][/color][/quote]

The US may have made some mistakes during the careers of such people, but Osama bin Laden's US training came before he started his holy war against the west, how were they supposed to know? And as for Hussein, don't try to claim he was somehow 'America's fault'. The US did not train him to commit genocide.

The news of Bin Laden's demise is not the end of anything, but it is a significant and welcome achievement. As a Brit, I applaud the US and their allies in Pakistan who made this operation possible, and have now rid the world of one of its worst citizens.
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I bet this is all just an excuse to "revitalise the war on terror" and invade more middle-eastern countries. The talk in the whitehouse probably went like this "well, looks like we are going to lose the next election because everyone realises I suck as much as any other. I know, let's do a George W. Bush!".


I can't believe how lacking in evidence this is. Obama will be remembered as the president of forgery.
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[quote name='GMuser' timestamp='1304335609' post='4805354']
I bet this is all just an excuse to "revitalise the war on terror" and invade more middle-eastern countries. The talk in the whitehouse probably went like this "well, looks like we are going to lose the next election because everyone realises I suck as much as any other. I know, let's do a George W. Bush!".


I can't believe how lacking in evidence this is. Obama will be remembered as the president of forgery.
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Wasn't this also confirmed by Pakistan? After all they made the operation possible. Basically I get the feeling that you wont be satisfied until you see the body, hopefully somebody had the foresight to take a picture before they dumped him in the sea.
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Of course I want to see the body, I can't believe the reports they dumped it in the sea. Surely they knew that would inspire talk of conspiracy. I would have expected DNA tests and proper confirmation that it was him, not this "you just believe us that we killed him, BOOYAH!". I was also pretty sure he was already dead before this event, so it's unlikely to have him pop up and say something.
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