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AndyHarglesis

I think all programmers should know machine code...

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[quote name='Hodgman' timestamp='1305713354' post='4812427']
Epic threads are epic.
[/quote]

Here's a clear shot of the desktop when the OS was loading just a few minutes ago: [url="http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/41/linkattackii.gif/"]http://imageshack.us...nkattackii.gif/[/url]

If you want any more proof, specs, etc. about XENIO 12 BEST, I can give it. :D
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[quote name='AndyWonHarglesis' timestamp='1305713350' post='4812426']
Sorry though, yeah, it is kinda blurry because the resolution is very crappy and low and the screen capture program can't get a good picture of it when converted to .pictures[/quote]

Don't worry. I think it's awesome that you feel that passionate for what you do. You just need to improve your forum skills a little bit and you'll be almost perfect. ;)
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[quote name='AndyWonHarglesis' timestamp='1305712863' post='4812422']
The OS I use isn't made up. It's an independent team's OS called XENIO 12 BEST. It's a small OS that was only released in New Jersey(which is where I live).

Here's pictures of its logos and screenshots:

[url="http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/685/xeniofm.jpg/"]http://imageshack.us...85/xeniofm.jpg/[/url]

[url="http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/20/os2.gif/"]http://imageshack.us...ges/20/os2.gif/[/url]

The assembler I use: [url="http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/692/emu8086big.gif/"]http://imageshack.us...emu8086big.gif/[/url]

AND here's a clear shot of the desktop loading: [url="http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/580/linkattackii.gif/"]http://imageshack.us...nkattackii.gif/[/url]
[/quote]

It is not helping your case to not supply any verifiable information. The pictures you posted just weaken your case since they scream "desperate photoshopper out of ideas except blur filter". You could have supplied a link to the team's website. Or their dial-in phonenumber. Or an address where one could reach them by snail-mail because they are too tinfoil-hatty to be online. Or the crop circle where you have to leave a glass of fresh milk on a full moon.
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[quote name='BitMaster' timestamp='1305713515' post='4812431']
[quote name='AndyWonHarglesis' timestamp='1305712863' post='4812422']
The OS I use isn't made up. It's an independent team's OS called XENIO 12 BEST. It's a small OS that was only released in New Jersey(which is where I live).

Here's pictures of its logos and screenshots:

[url="http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/685/xeniofm.jpg/"]http://imageshack.us...85/xeniofm.jpg/[/url]

[url="http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/20/os2.gif/"]http://imageshack.us...ges/20/os2.gif/[/url]

The assembler I use: [url="http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/692/emu8086big.gif/"]http://imageshack.us...emu8086big.gif/[/url]

AND here's a clear shot of the desktop loading: [url="http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/580/linkattackii.gif/"]http://imageshack.us...nkattackii.gif/[/url]
[/quote]

It is not helping your case to not supply any verifiable information. The pictures you posted just weaken your case since they scream "desperate photoshopper out of ideas except blur filter". You could have supplied a link to the team's website. Or their dial-in phonenumber. Or an address where one could reach them by snail-mail because they are too tinfoil-hatty to be online. Or the crop circle where you have to leave a glass of fresh milk on a full moon.
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They do not have a website, and I don't know their phone number for contact info. Is that my fault? My mother bought the computer from a thrift shop almost 10 years ago. I have not a clue about its whereabouts much.

Address? No idea... It was one of those "come and go" things with a dead warranty after 30 days. At least it works though and I improved the system. :P

The assembler specifically made for it was made by the team that made the computer itself and it came on the system. I find it VERY useful, though the product had crappy warranty and its contact number it came with was lost after unpacking years ago.

I know for a FACT that they don't have a website though because, trust me, I looked. :D

Also, if you want more clear images I can get them.
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[quote name='AndyWonHarglesis' timestamp='1305713454' post='4812428']
[quote name='Hodgman' timestamp='1305713354' post='4812427']Epic threads are epic.[/quote]Here's a clear shot of the desktop when the OS was loading just a few minutes ago: [url="http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/41/linkattackii.gif/"]http://imageshack.us...nkattackii.gif/[/url]

If you want any more proof, specs, etc. about XENIO 12 BEST, I can give it. :D[/quote]No worries. That's actually the OS we use at work to make PlayStation 5 games. All the pros use it. You'll fit right in.
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[img]http://s2.postimage.org/5wdsqwjto/os24_1stscreen.jpg[/img]

Brilliant image manipulation skills, my friend. You may not be able to get a job as a programmer, but don't quit your image hobby!
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[quote][color="#1C2837"][size="2"]No worries. That's actually the OS we use at work to make PlayStation 5 games. All the pros use it. You'll fit right in. [/size][/color][/quote]

You live in Jersey? The XENIO 12 BEST is only released in Jersey. :(

[quote][color="#1C2837"][size="2"]Brilliant image manipulation skills, my friend. You may not be able to get a job as a programmer, but don't quit your image hobby! [/size][/color][/quote]

I didn't manipulate anything... :( I actually SUCK at image editing. And I don't care about "corporate qualifications", I can do good on my own and that's all that matters. :D
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[quote name='AndyWonHarglesis' timestamp='1305713901' post='4812437']
[quote][color="#1C2837"][size="2"]No worries. That's actually the OS we use at work to make PlayStation 5 games. All the pros use it. You'll fit right in. [/size][/color][/quote]You live in Jersey? The XENIO 12 BEST is only released in Jersey. :([/quote]No, I flew over there specifically to get my latest copy.
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[quote name='AndyWonHarglesis' timestamp='1305713901' post='4812437']
I didn't manipulate anything... :(
[/quote]

You should of just told us you program for OS/2 WARP! That would have been somewhat more impressive than your Jersey Shore OS.
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[quote name='AndyWonHarglesis' timestamp='1305713638' post='4812432']
They do not have a website, and I don't know their phone number for contact info. Is that my fault? My mother bought the computer from a thrift shop almost 10 years ago. I have not a clue about its whereabouts much.

Address? No idea... It was one of those "come and go" things with a dead warranty after 30 days. At least it works though and I improved the system. :P

The assembler specifically made for it was made by the team that made the computer itself and it came on the system. I find it VERY useful, though the product had crappy warranty and its contact number it came with was lost after unpacking years ago.

I know for a FACT that they don't have a website though because, trust me, I looked. :D

Also, if you want more clear images I can get them.
[/quote]
You have already posted so much verifiably wrong information in this thread (like that horrible PS3 brainfart) that in accordance with [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam"]Occam's razor[/url] the story that you have absolutely no clue seems to be the far more likely explanation.
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[quote name='Hodgman' timestamp='1305713672' post='4812433']
[quote name='AndyWonHarglesis' timestamp='1305713454' post='4812428']
[quote name='Hodgman' timestamp='1305713354' post='4812427']Epic threads are epic.[/quote]Here's a clear shot of the desktop when the OS was loading just a few minutes ago: [url="http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/41/linkattackii.gif/"]http://imageshack.us...nkattackii.gif/[/url]

If you want any more proof, specs, etc. about XENIO 12 BEST, I can give it. :D[/quote]No worries. That's actually the OS we use at work to make PlayStation 5 games. All the pros use it. You'll fit right in.
[/quote]

:D MADE MY DAY!!
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[quote name='lpcstr' timestamp='1305714141' post='4812441']
[quote name='AndyWonHarglesis' timestamp='1305713901' post='4812437']
I didn't manipulate anything... :(
[/quote]

You should of just told us you program for OS/2 WARP! That would have been somewhat more impressive than your Jersey Shore OS.
[/quote]

[attachment=2353:os24_1stscreen.jpg]


OH TEH NOS! :o
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[quote name='BitMaster' timestamp='1305714237' post='4812442']
You have already posted so much verifiably wrong information in this thread (like that horrible PS3 brainfart) that in accordance with [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam"]Occam's razor[/url] the story that you have absolutely no clue seems to be the far more likely explanation.
[/quote]

No, no, no. I'm sure he has a perfectly good and completely unverifiable explanation for everything!
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Yeah, but now I have finally reached my threshold.

Oh. No. Wait. I read about the Xenio thingummi computer and its assembler. Wasn't that the one which had an "rsn" opcode (= run snakes)? Of course it's easy to write assembler when the processor you are working on has the desired functionality burned it.

Note: one of the above paragraphs contains sarcasm. It is left as an exercise to the reader to find out which one it is.
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Oh noes!!1
This thread goes too fast. I'm spending my TOTAL work time reading this. I'll be fired and doomed.
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[quote name='BitMaster' timestamp='1305714776' post='4812450']
Yeah, but now I have finally reached my threshold.

Oh. No. Wait. I read about the Xenio thingummi computer and its assembler. Wasn't that the one which had an "rsn" opcode (= run snakes)? Of course it's easy to write assembler when the processor you are working on has the desired functionality burned it.

Note: one of the above paragraphs contains sarcasm. It is left as an exercise to the reader to find out which one it is.
[/quote]

It's coming back to me now. Ah yes, Xenio, rsn. Not much of an accomplishment, really. Not worth bragging about, certainly!
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I won't give a decisive opinion on the subject of this thread because I'm not knowledeable enough, but I would like to dicuss the issue sensibly without all this flaming, and without it being spread over two threads. Why are people flaming this kid in what is a semi-professional environment? Why not just express disagreement and rate his posts down? Surely that would be enough to ensure people take his posts with a (large) pinch of salt?

Anyway, if I'm not mistaken, the general subject is about comparing assembly to high level languages and APIs which, like almost any subject, I think is a reasonable subject to discuss. My attempt to contribute to the discussion follows.

I've been trying to find a list of great games written in assembly but I cannot. As far as I know the last great game written in assembly was Frontier Elite by David Braben. The GDC Vault isn't loading for me at the moment, so I can't link the video, but I very much enjoyed Braben's Classic Game Postmortem on Elite at GDC. It struck me how immensly intelligent he is. But I think the AFAIK up till now unparalled achievements of that game are more due to his genius and use of procedural generation than due to his use of assembly. This is reenforced by recent attempts to expand on the concept of the game in 3D graphics meeting today's standards, using higher level tools, which have been succesful in principle but not yet fully realised due to the enormity of the work undertaken, assembly doesn't even come into the reasons. It is probably true that the Elite series would have been impossible had it not been written in assembly, but its also probably true that's only because of having to squeeze the required performance out of very limited machines.

Also to the OP, you should bear in mind that DirectX provides a necessary layer so that the programmers code is compatible with a wide range of graphics cards. AFAIK in assembly one would have to code different code for each graphics card... I don't know if something analogous is true for CPUs and RAM but I wouldn't be surprised. Given the effectively infinite variety of system configs apparent in todays PC market I suspect that renders PC game development in assembly effectively impossible, though probably still possible and perhaps even desirable in the hardware limited single configuration console market.

[EDIT] Question: Are all PS3 games written in assembly? Been trying to research that but having no luck.
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I wouldn't call any of these comments flaming. This is and has always been a thread created for the sole purpose of trolling. It's nonsensical and should not be taken seriously, anywhere.

This thread went out of of scope a long time ago. We should just let it destruct already.
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Does anyone live in Jersey here? I'd like to get a copy of this XENIO 12 BEST, because the current OS I'm using is holding back my multi-core rig.
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[quote name='lpcstr' timestamp='1305715968' post='4812457']
I wouldn't call any of these comments flaming. This is and has always been a thread created for the sole purpose of trolling. It's nonsensical and should not be taken seriously, anywhere.

This thread went out of of scope a long time ago. We should just let it destruct already.
[/quote]

Good catch on the fake screenshot btw :)
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[quote name='forsandifs' timestamp='1305715441' post='4812455']I won't give a decisive opinion on the subject of this thread because I'm not knowledeable enough, but I would like to dicuss the issue sensibly without all this flaming, and without it being spread over two threads. Why are people flaming this kid in what is a semi-professional environment? Why not just express disagreement and rate his posts down? Surely that would be enough to ensure people take his posts with a (large) pinch of salt?[/quote]

With the possible exception of my last bit of sarcasm I do not think I have actually flamed him and actively tried to preserve the idea of "reasonable doubt" as long as I could and giving him the possibility to still proof himself.

[quote name='forsandifs' timestamp='1305715441' post='4812455']Anyway, if I'm not mistaken, the general subject is about comparing assembly to high level languages and APIs which, like almost any subject, I think is a reasonable subject to discuss.[/quote]

A reasonable discussion was attempted at the beginning (with a few isolated incidents). Nevertheless, the progress of the discussion has shown that Andy has neither the ability nor the understanding and just kept adding wrong and twisted looks-like-facts. Whether this is because he is too stupid, too clueless and arrogant or a troll is up to everyone for him/herself. My bet is on troll.

In my experience, adding actual meaningful discussions to a such infested thread is counterproductive as the people who would benefit most from it are the most likely to take in dangerous misinformation spilled by the infestor. If you truly have a desire to deliberate the topic, I would suggest making a new thread in a couple of days when the immediate threat of re-infestation has dropped.
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[quote name='lpcstr' timestamp='1305715968' post='4812457']
This thread went out of of scope a long time ago. We should just let it destruct already.
[/quote]

[quote name='BitMaster' timestamp='1305716131' post='4812460']
With the possible exception of my last bit of sarcasm I do not think I have actually flamed him and actively tried to preserve the idea of "reasonable doubt" as long as I could and giving him the possibility to still proof himself.

In my experience, adding actual meaningful discussions to a such infested thread is counterproductive as the people who would benefit most from it are the most likely to take in dangerous misinformation spilled by the infestor. If you truly have a desire to deliberate the topic, I would suggest making a new thread in a couple of days when the immediate threat of re-infestation has dropped.
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Allright fair enough. I may start one in a couple of days to discuss what I do think is an interesting subject when its calmed down here. But woah does this thread go fast xD It seems to have struck a resonating chord.

BTW, I wasn't accusing anyone in particular of flaming, just commenting on what seemed to me to be lots of flaming going on in the thread in general (which is unsual around here). I didn't mean to take sides or anything. I don't think the OP's approach has been good, but he's either a troll or a kid so meh.
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This comment might be off topic a bit... but well, I visit 4chan very often. And this guy was obviously trolling.
But then again, falling for an obvious troll is also a trolling technique in 4chan!
so I don't know who's trolling who anymore. That's it
:lol:
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[quote name='stromchin' timestamp='1305717294' post='4812464']
This comment might be off topic a bit... but well, I visit 4chan very often. And this guy was obviously trolling.
But then again, falling for an obvious troll is also a trolling technique in 4chan!
so I don't know who's trolling who anymore. That's it
:lol:
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There wasn't really much else to do. First, I was doing something that gave me a few free minutes every now and then. Second, if you let attitudes like just lying around uncommented you risk someone actually believing them to be true, especially if they are new and impressionable. There is actually people around who believe attitudes like he portrayed with similar faulty reasoning. That would not be a problem except sometimes we have to work with people (or their code) like that. And those are usually the times where garbageman sounds like a reasonable career change.


The other option would of course have been for a mod to ban him. But I have seen obvious ad-spam sitting around for half a day after reporting it, so I was not about to put my eggs in that basket.

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[quote name='stromchin' timestamp='1305717294' post='4812464']
This comment might be off topic a bit... but well, I visit 4chan very often. And this guy was obviously trolling.
But then again, falling for an obvious troll is also a trolling technique in 4chan!
so I don't know who's trolling who anymore. That's it
:lol:
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>4chan

inb4 trolls trolling trolls and image macros
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