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[url="http://theweek.com/article/index/215791/could-solar-panels-on-the-moon-power-the-earth"]Solar Array around the Moon[/url]

Oh those crazy Japanese people. Always looking to Space for the future. Haven't they learned anything? Forward, futuristic thinking does nothing but force companies to further rape the resources here on Earth at a very profitable price. I mean what would happen to job creation or the financial market if such a thing as constant renewable energy was step closer to being achieved?!

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Cool.

Sorry for the thread derail, but I have to disagree that the free market is the reason we're guzzling oil while japan builds solar arrays. The real problem is that the current cost of coal and oil does not reflect the long-term cost for the world. Solution: tax the crap out of non-renewable resources. We'd have the moon covered in solar panels in no time.

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If you thought a nuclear reactor accident was bad, think of the unintended consequences of additional solar rays beamed at the earth.

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It's all fun and games until they detach the ring and build a halo inside it and leave. :lol:

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Well, as they say: build it and they will come.


I doubt they'll build it. But hey, I don't know any other nation that would build a gigantic robot replica of their favorite shows so maybe I am wrong... :)

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Japan has a national imperative to build giant humanoid robots before I die, to fulfill the expectations I was given in the '90s. They can't do that with fossil fuels, so of course they're looking towards alternatives.

But as mentioned above, even if this were a very serious endeavor (and at this point it's too early to say whether or not that's the case) the fact that it would be so expensive coupled with the incentives that some very rich and powerful industries have mean that even a global effort might fail to get it paid for and finished.

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Leaving aside the fact that they blatantly stole this idea from Dr Evil, exactly how are they going to "beam enough energy back to Earth"? Won't the inverse square law apply here?

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[quote name='ChaosEngine' timestamp='1306878722' post='4818049']
Leaving aside the fact that they blatantly stole this idea from Dr Evil, exactly how are they going to "beam enough energy back to Earth"? Won't the inverse square law apply here?
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Beams don't suffer from the inverse square law. However a super concentrated beam of solar energy directed at the earth might be something to worry about :/ I'm beggining to wonder if it's such a good idea after all.

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[quote name='ChaosEngine' timestamp='1306878722' post='4818049']
Leaving aside the fact that they blatantly stole this idea from Dr Evil, exactly how are they going to "beam enough energy back to Earth"? Won't the inverse square law apply here?
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Beams don't suffer from the inverse square law. However a super-concentrated beam of solar energy directed at the earth might be something to worry about. :/ I'm beggining to wonder if its such a good idea after all..

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Well I doubt they'll be shooting lasers from space. Most likely microwave transmissions like any other piece of tech. Geosynchronized like every other tech.

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[quote name='forsandifs' timestamp='1306879920' post='4818058']
However a super-concentrated beam of solar energy directed at the earth might be something to worry about. :/
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Not if I get to control the targeting... [img]http://archive.gamedev.net/community/forums/images/smileys/evil.gif[/img]

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What? Building a permanent station on the moon mostly from resources found there? Filled with astronauts and robots? To provide the earth with all the energy it might need? And by that setting the starting point for the colonization of the solar system?

That's so wrong!

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This seems ridiculous to me.. Why would we put expensive solar panels on an unprotected rock floating in space that is already littered with impact sites?

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[quote name='SteveDeFacto' timestamp='1306894084' post='4818122']
This seems ridiculous to me.. Why would we put expensive solar panels on an unprotected rock floating in space that is already littered with impact sites?
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They're going to put a deflection shield as well. Geez. Hold your britches!

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There is enough solar energy in just 50x50 square miles in the Sahara to power all of Europe.. Double that and you have spare power to convert algae/farm waste into petroleum and that would cover not just the electrical power but industrial power / feedstock. Imagine the trillions spent on fuel reallocated to other things like basic research, health care, infrastructure? All it would take is a few trillion dollars investment upfront, oh about the price of the economic bailouts..

It's not that we don't have the technology, we don't have the economic will..

-ddn

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[quote name='ddn3' timestamp='1306894977' post='4818128']
There is enough solar energy in just 50x50 square miles in the Sahara to power all of Europe.. Double that and you have spare power to convert algae/farm waste into petroleum and that would cover not just the electrical power but industrial power / feedstock. Imagine the trillions spent on fuel reallocated to other things like basic research, health care, infrastructure? All it would take is a few trillion dollars investment upfront, oh about the price of the economic bailouts..

It's not that we don't have the technology, we don't have the economic will..

-ddn
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Actually, I figured (rabbit out the hat) what you just described would cost the same amount as the LHC. Solar panel ring around the moon would definitely be technlogical feat for mankind. Period. I'd be OK with getting my taxes raised for such a project.

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So... why do we have to put solar panels on the moon? Why not just find somewhere on earth to put them? Or is it that the atmosphere heavily interferes with the efficiency of solar panels or something?

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We're talking about Japan here. Japan is a small island that is already very densely populated, and the few unpopulated regions that they do have are mountains. It makes perfect sense for them to consider more radical solutions than would be appropriate for Europe (try to cooperate with North Africa to get massive solar in the Sahara) or the US (carpet New Mexico with solar arrays).

The scale of that project is insane, and the energy transmission is a problem. However, except for the energy transmission, this project is perfectly feasible with current technology. The only missing piece is the political and/or economic will to implement it.

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[quote name='RDragon1' timestamp='1306911416' post='4818178']Or is it that the atmosphere heavily interferes with the efficiency of solar panels or something?[/quote]Yep, astronauts had to wear some damn expensive shades when they were up there.

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Good luck with that. As the saying goes, the Devil is in the details. I think it's more constructive to focus on earth bound problem solving and implement solutions down here.

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[quote name='Prefect' timestamp='1306912174' post='4818182'][i]except for the energy transmission[/i], this project is perfectly feasible with current technology[/quote]

That's a massive except though..

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