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We could live to be a 1000. No really, a scientist said so.

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Alpha_ProgDes    6921
[url="http://news.yahoo.com/wants-live-forever-scientist-sees-aging-cured-131029279.html"]Methsulah will return in our lifetime.[/url] According to this article, the first person to live to 150 years old has already been born. And the person to live to 1000 year will be born in the next 20 years. As much as I'd like to think that Highlander could come true. I don't know how much bollocks this article really is. Also, if this was true then two things will happen: either the space race goes into OverDrive or some religious nuts kills this guy and anyone associated with him.

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ChurchSkiz    1101
It's a war between scientists with the cure for every ailment, and fat, lazy americans.

In all seriousness, I can definitely see longevity increasing drastically with the new Telomere research going on. Though I don't know what effect that has on muscles like your heart, liver, brain, etc.

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JoeCooper    350
Hi uhh, this is a tad off-topic, but the bright red minus one on Church's post looks like it'd be embarrassing so I'll say it; I clicked that because I was mindlessly fidgeting with the mouse and forgot there's no undo on that. The post is actually fine. I up-voted a random other post by Church to even it out. Gonna close the browser now.

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Varine    128
Yes. I am the one who will live to be 150. Then, I will be reborn and live to be a 1000. At which point I will be worshiped like a God! Or killed for witch-craft... it's pretty iffy, I could see it going either way.

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dpadam450    2357
Well different living things on earth all have different lifespans. I don't know what actually causes aging, but I'm sure people could live a lot longer than we are currently. I mean we develop in another human being out of our own cells (children), so theoretically the human body should be able to produce those new cells for itself and anti-age.

I have the news on in the background and they just said the life expectancy of women is going down.

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KanonBaum    277
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Well that's not a surprise. We already have fossils. So now you're saying those fossils will be able to move too? [i]Just great[/i].

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Khaiy    2148
There's a big difference between someone living to 150 and that being a common thing.

Telomerase is cool, but whatever treatment they make from it is not going to be cheap for quite a while. Not to mention that we already aren't set up for people to live as long as they do, let alone twice as long.

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way2lazy2care    790
I'd be curious to know the impact this would have on medical expenses. It seems like we could drop them quite a bit with regular maintenance so we minimize emergency care as well as late life care.

If our bodies even gave up at their usual time but maintained a usable state until then, we could increase our productivity tremendously too. Understandably most people wouldn't find working past 65 enticing, but I'd love to be active and contributing to something into my 90s.

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JoeCooper    350
[quote name='Khaiy' timestamp='1309923768' post='4831624']... Not to mention that we already aren't set up for people to live as long as they do, let alone twice as long.
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Part of the problem there is not the lifespan aspect but the aging and the idea that people should retire. Humans are not married to the idea and having a society without the concept of retirement is in our behavioral toolkit, so to speak. As far as I know the idea of pervasive retirement didn't show up until the 19th century.


The idea of living to 1000 is more about eliminating aging as a physiological concept.

But what I find interesting is what it would do to human skill, intelligence, etc. Basically there would be a class of people with centuries of experience and hindsight, without terrible brains.

I decided I like this idea personally just because there never seems enough time to do the things I'd like to. Obviously everyone still dies; I recall one study in the 90s that suggested that people would have an average lifespan of about 500 years if you eliminated aging because of accidents, disease, etc. (And we're still fighting that perpetual war against microfauna.)

But even 200 is a damn long time if you're effective.

You can plan with that as well as you can with 20; you can say "I'll just be an engineer for 50 years and I'll try writing after that" as well as you can say "I'll just go to school for 5 years", both with the same universally accepted caveat that you might get hit by a bus tomorrow, but that's OK because you can't really plan around that anyway.

I'd like to feel like I could, potentially, spend 20 years on Titan for the Full Effect even if the flight time is 7 years in cryosleep (or whatever) and know that people will probably still be around when I return.

But obviously it's not for everyone, and I think a lot of folks if they went for it would, eventually, get tired of it and off themselves or go off the anti-aging regime.

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Zethariel    314
People living up to 1000 would be a disaster IMO. Think about it -- you would have to work around 700 years before you retire. Or even more, knowing how greedy some can be. And I guess the population would dwindle as well, coz as long as they have healthy bodies, they have time to have kids, right?

Economically, it would be a great hinderance too. Same old people would run the same old companies and things would stangate. Why give a job to a 20 yo, when you have a 3 century man who has more experience and wisdom, and whom you know so well?

Same goes for science -- no rotation whatsoever. without fresh minds, we wouldn't get any further, and our civilization would collapse.

Oh, it's 4.30 PM, time to run home. Life is too short to stay overtime at work.

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Concentrate    181
Yuck, I can barely stand being 21, why in the world would I want to be 1000 years old( I know I know I wont but still...). Man I swear we humans are too powerful for our own good, so much so that we're going to end up killing our race.

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inavat    317
[quote name='Zethariel' timestamp='1309962647' post='4831795']
People living up to 1000 would be a disaster IMO. Think about it -- you would have to work around 700 years before you retire. Or even more, knowing how greedy some can be. And I guess the population would dwindle as well, coz as long as they have healthy bodies, they have time to have kids, right?

Economically, it would be a great hinderance too. Same old people would run the same old companies and things would stangate. Why give a job to a 20 yo, when you have a 3 century man who has more experience and wisdom, and whom you know so well?

Same goes for science -- no rotation whatsoever. without fresh minds, we wouldn't get any further, and our civilization would collapse.

Oh, it's 4.30 PM, time to run home. Life is too short to stay overtime at work.
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I'll offer a countering viewpoint. What if Einstein had had the chance to live to 200? or even 1000? What could he have come up with?

We suffer from an astounding amount of thought-waste. Think about it, we have to train every new human from scratch. We waste 20+ years just giving each human a basic knowledge framework to fill a specific role in society. Add 5 to 10 years to yield an expert (PhD) in an intensive discipline. Then they spend 30 or 40 years making use of that investment, all the while accumulating invaluable experience, and then they retire, and we as a society have to spend 25-30 years training their replacement -- only, that replacement won't have acquired the experience that can't be taught.

It's not just about knowledge or skills, it's about wisdom. I have a hard time imagining someone who's been around for 700 years being as immature and irresponsible as the monkeys that currently inhabit our political offices, for instance.

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Concentrate    181
>>[b]I'll offer a countering viewpoint. What if Einstein had had the chance to live to 200? or even 1000? What could he have come up with?[/b]

I'll offer a countering viewpoint to your countering viewpoint. Your only looking at it from one angle. There are numerous possibilities. Considering he was one of the major help in creating atomic bomb, most probably he would be working for the military trying to create something that would destroy a whole continent.

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inavat    317
[quote name='D.Chhetri' timestamp='1309964974' post='4831812']
>>[b]I'll offer a countering viewpoint. What if Einstein had had the chance to live to 200? or even 1000? What could he have come up with?[/b]

I'll offer a countering viewpoint to your countering viewpoint. Your only looking at it from one angle. There are numerous possibilities. Considering he was one of the major person in creating atomic bomb, most probably he would be working for the military trying to create something that would destroy a whole continent.
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LMAO. Now you've shown an amazing amount of ignorance. I suggest you look up Einstein and what he stood for.

See, in 700 years you'll probably have learned not to make such silly comments based on absolutely no facts at all.

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ChurchSkiz    1101
[quote name='A Brain in a Vat' timestamp='1309963673' post='4831803']
[quote name='Zethariel' timestamp='1309962647' post='4831795']
People living up to 1000 would be a disaster IMO. Think about it -- you would have to work around 700 years before you retire. Or even more, knowing how greedy some can be. And I guess the population would dwindle as well, coz as long as they have healthy bodies, they have time to have kids, right?

Economically, it would be a great hinderance too. Same old people would run the same old companies and things would stangate. Why give a job to a 20 yo, when you have a 3 century man who has more experience and wisdom, and whom you know so well?

Same goes for science -- no rotation whatsoever. without fresh minds, we wouldn't get any further, and our civilization would collapse.

Oh, it's 4.30 PM, time to run home. Life is too short to stay overtime at work.
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I'll offer a countering viewpoint. What if Einstein had had the chance to live to 200? or even 1000? What could he have come up with?
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I was just going to reply, what if Tesla lived another 100 years. Everyone would have endless, free, mobile power.

As far as the work thing goes, I don't think anyone would NEED to work 700 years. I mean if you're smart and you save, 30-40 years of work generates enough assets to be self-sustaining. So basically you'd still work till you're 65, but then you'd go on a 950 year retirement.

We'd have to curb birth rates though or we'd be in a sh*tstorm real quick. It would be a good time to propose my corporate sterilization/birth application idea.

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szecs    2990
[quote name='Hodgman' timestamp='1309958406' post='4831761']
On the down-side, the cost of 1000-year life expectancy is that we'll all be eating [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_vitro_meat"]fauxburgers[/url].
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I want to taste human flesh. Anyhoo, I think it would be a good thing (artificial meat), if it was cheaper than real meat.
Anyhoo 2: well, we are not many enough on Earth already, we should be much more by living for 1000 years. 1000 years of unemployment rulez!!!1

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Concentrate    181
[quote name='A Brain in a Vat' timestamp='1309965159' post='4831814']
[quote name='D.Chhetri' timestamp='1309964974' post='4831812']
>>[b]I'll offer a countering viewpoint. What if Einstein had had the chance to live to 200? or even 1000? What could he have come up with?[/b]

I'll offer a countering viewpoint to your countering viewpoint. Your only looking at it from one angle. There are numerous possibilities. Considering he was one of the major person in creating atomic bomb, most probably he would be working for the military trying to create something that would destroy a whole continent.
[/quote]
LMAO. Now you've shown an amazing amount of ignorance. I suggest you look up Einstein and what he stood for.

See, in 700 years you'll probably have learned not to make such silly comments based on absolutely no facts at all.
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Sure he was a pacifist at one point, but at another point, specifically when Hitler rose in Germany, it was Einstien that signed a letter to the president Franklin Roosevelt urging that a bomb be built. So in the realm of possibility its not absurd.

EDIT: Just a though, if we lived to be a millennium then we might possibly see jesus? lol

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inavat    317
[quote name='D.Chhetri' timestamp='1309965680' post='4831822']
Sure he was a pacifist at one point, but at another point, specifically when Hitler rose in Germany, it was Einstien that signed a letter to the president Franklin Roosevelt urging that a bomb be built. So in the realm of possibility its not absurd.

EDIT: Just a though, if we lived to be a millennium then we might possibly see jesus? lol
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He also later called that the greatest mistake of his life. That is, he learned, through experience. He became wiser.

It's therefore not only unlikely but slanderous to suggest that "most probably he would be working for the military trying to create something that would destroy a whole continent."

You no doubt know this, if you know about the Einstein–Szilárd letter, and it's intellectually dishonest to leave it out of your posts.

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JoeCooper    350
I'd reiterate that I doubt even most people who [i]can[/i] afford the ongoing treatments would bother. Even people who reach 60, 70, 80 are often ready to retire, ready to kick back, sometimes even ready to die. 300?

Professionally, only a minority of professions actually need experience more than a few years. Then there's professional boredom; some people will rotate professions because they'll want to do something different.

Birth control might get tricky if you introduce this, but as-is, pretty much every first world country's reproduction rates hit the floor. The economics of the situation are [i]always[/i] a factor in reproduction. In a lot of situation where people bother to have ten kids, there is a reason.

So all I'm saying is that you can actually curb it quite a bit by just keeping health-care standards high and affecting the "game" such that having 1 or 2 kids ever is a good solution. [i]This is already done and many countries have negative growth[/i]. So whenever I see people pressing for the use of [i]authority[/i] to keep others from having babies, I usually see either a hint of bureaucratic\authoritarian thought, misanthropy or chimp-think (i.e. those indians and chinks are having too many babies).

Again, a cure for aging might alter that game, but we don't know what the uptake, details (can you continue reproducing? does your brain start to suck?) or implications would really be.

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Zethariel    314
A most probable fact -- only the rich people would have this technology at first. And they would make sure it would stay that way until something better arrived.

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Talroth    3247
If a 1000 year life span became common, then I think we would see employment shifting a lot.

I think "Retirement" would become "Take 10 years off and go do something for yourself, learn something new, and get back on the job market." Or some variation of that.

Work 10 years, travel the world for 2.

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ligh    572
If we ever wanted to evolve, increasing our lifespan would probably work against us. Disease would probably take over, we wouldn't be reproducing as much (or at all?), less genetic mixing. If for 1000 years population never reduced due to old age we should hope we'd be able to leave this rock too. I think we are already stressing out our earth enough.

It would probably end up being some sort of 'elite society' of people who get to live that long, enslaving all the 'mortals'

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