What does the man who constantly hallucinates beautiful goddesses showering him with gifts see during the events outlined in Revelations?
The mind is a trickster, but who's mind is it?
What do you think about the Revelation?
Exactly.
Why are we always on the cusp of the end times?
As you said, it can come anytime, but when you think of it another way, it can come at anytime.
If you had a number line that is stretched from NOW --> Anytime, you'd realize that anytime can be a pretty far away number. It is more likely larger than a saeculum, the length of time from NOW to the time when every human alive at this very moment is dead and replaced by their children. Since there is an infinity time between as saeculum and infinity and a short time between now and a saeculum.
All those passes that it can come at anytime can also be about death, which can come at anytime as well. That was the point of the wise and foolish virgins.
Still, compared to how early Christians had it, we're still not at a point that rivals them, let alone Noah. No one is being burned as decor. The rate of peace is pretty high in this time period compared to many others. Some of the governments in the world, like socialism, are based on principals found in Christianity. I just can't see anyone reaching that conclusion that we are slipping into a time like Noah's.
I do not see any point in destroying wickedness, since it is a quite vital thing. Should I end up in a world where people just have to opress each other, have no pations, are scared and do not trust anyone, where there is just fear and unhapiness. Would be even worse than here on earth. And one last thing, do not use Christ as an icon of antigod movement. Icon of antigod movement is daemon Legion, cursed by wicked gods, he is constantly bleeding from his mouth. Realm of an antigod is a prison , becouse it would be empty if it was not, and more they torture, the more moral and better they feel. Luckily, according to reachable literature, antigods do not exist. Do not call for hate and destruction, Jesus represents understanding and love, not theese things that haters are after.
I repeat myself, punishment does not come out of hate. Read Hebrews 12:5-11 It clearly states that God punishes us to correct he. He loves us and finds us worth the trouble to correct. He chastens us because he loves us. (Helaman 15:3)
God is a perfectly righteous being. If we want to live with him we need to become like him. Unfortunately we all have our weaknesses. We all sin. Sin makes us unclean and no unclean thing can enter into the presence of God. Our own guilt would bear down upon us and we would much rather be somewhere else. On our own we cannot make it back. That is why God sent Christ. For anyone who repents can become clean through Christ. Past actions can be forgiven. We don't have to have a perfect track record. (Isaiah 1:18) We do however have to repent, and part of repentance is stopping the unclean behaviors. We can be spotless when the day of judgment comes and we will have a clear conscience. (Mosiah 2:32-41)
We all have our agency. We are free to follow God or follow Satan. We cannot choose the consequences. (Alma 42:27-28) That is how it is.
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I do not see any point in destroying wickedness, since it is a quite vital thing. Should I end up in a world where people just have to opress each other, have no pations, are scared and do not trust anyone, where there is just fear and unhapiness. Would be even worse than here on earth. And one last thing, do not use Christ as an icon of antigod movement. Icon of antigod movement is daemon Legion, cursed by wicked gods, he is constantly bleeding from his mouth. Realm of an antigod is a prison , becouse it would be empty if it was not, and more they torture, the more moral and better they feel. Luckily, according to reachable literature, antigods do not exist. Do not call for hate and destruction, Jesus represents understanding and love, not theese things that haters are after.
I repeat myself, punishment does not come out of hate. Read Hebrews 12:5-11 It clearly states that God punishes us to correct he. He loves us and finds us worth the trouble to correct. He chastens us because he loves us. (Helaman 15:3)
God is a perfectly righteous being. If we want to live with him we need to become like him. Unfortunately we all have our weaknesses. We all sin. Sin makes us unclean and no unclean thing can enter into the presence of God. Our own guilt would bear down upon us and we would much rather be somewhere else. On our own we cannot make it back. That is why God sent Christ. For anyone who repents can become clean through Christ. Past actions can be forgiven. We don't have to have a perfect track record. (Isaiah 1:18) We do however have to repent, and part of repentance is stopping the unclean behaviors. We can be spotless when the day of judgment comes and we will have a clear conscience. (Mosiah 2:32-41)
We all have our agency. We are free to follow God or follow Satan. We cannot choose the consequences. (Alma 42:27-28) That is how it is.
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I choose not to believe in the narcissistic psychopath that is yahweh. If by some absurdly small chance the "revalation" does come to pass, I will stand before god and tell him that there was insufficient evidence to believe in him, but I have lead a (mostly ) good life, loved my neighbour (a lot more than the deranged bigots who commit untold atrocities in his name) and if he decides to condemn me, well then he's just proved I was right about him in the first place.
I choose not to believe in the narcissistic psychopath that is yahweh. If by some absurdly small chance the "revalation" does come to pass, I will stand before god and tell him that there was insufficient evidence to believe in him, but I have lead a (mostly ) good life, loved my neighbour (a lot more than the deranged bigots who commit untold atrocities in his name) and if he decides to condemn me, well then he's just proved I was right about him in the first place.
If you're starting with the assumption that God is an arrogant punisher you want nothing to do with you aren't giving him much reason not to condemn you even putting aside that you may or may not believe in him.
... there was insufficient evidence to believe in him...
So what would be sufficient evidence and why should God use your definition of "sufficient"?
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... there was insufficient evidence to believe in him...
So what would be sufficient evidence and why should God use your definition of "sufficient"?
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Technically god has already provided evidence, see the bible for details.
Whether or not god would deem this evidence as sufficient is irrelevant. For many people this evidence is not sufficient, and by many we're talking about the vast majority of the human race, which is a far cry from:
1 Timothy 2:3-4
[color="#333333"][color="#000000"][font="Arial"]God our Saviour; who will have all men to be saved.[/font]
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[color="#333333"][font="arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif"]Further, consider all the people who died having never even heard the name Jesus Christ let along had the chance to believe that he came to as the saviour of humanity, and god (assuming such an entity exists) really does seem to have it in for a large number of us.[/font]
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[quote name='JohnnyCode' timestamp='1310652855' post='4835257']
I do not see any point in destroying wickedness, since it is a quite vital thing. Should I end up in a world where people just have to opress each other, have no pations, are scared and do not trust anyone, where there is just fear and unhapiness. Would be even worse than here on earth. And one last thing, do not use Christ as an icon of antigod movement. Icon of antigod movement is daemon Legion, cursed by wicked gods, he is constantly bleeding from his mouth. Realm of an antigod is a prison , becouse it would be empty if it was not, and more they torture, the more moral and better they feel. Luckily, according to reachable literature, antigods do not exist. Do not call for hate and destruction, Jesus represents understanding and love, not theese things that haters are after.
I repeat myself, punishment does not come out of hate. Read Hebrews 12:5-11 It clearly states that God punishes us to correct he. He loves us and finds us worth the trouble to correct. He chastens us because he loves us. (Helaman 15:3)
God is a perfectly righteous being. If we want to live with him we need to become like him. Unfortunately we all have our weaknesses. We all sin. Sin makes us unclean and no unclean thing can enter into the presence of God. Our own guilt would bear down upon us and we would much rather be somewhere else. On our own we cannot make it back. That is why God sent Christ. For anyone who repents can become clean through Christ. Past actions can be forgiven. We don't have to have a perfect track record. (Isaiah 1:18) We do however have to repent, and part of repentance is stopping the unclean behaviors. We can be spotless when the day of judgment comes and we will have a clear conscience. (Mosiah 2:32-41)
We all have our agency. We are free to follow God or follow Satan. We cannot choose the consequences. (Alma 42:27-28) That is how it is.
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I choose not to believe in the narcissistic psychopath that is yahweh. If by some absurdly small chance the "revalation" does come to pass, I will stand before god and tell him that there was insufficient evidence to believe in him, but I have lead a (mostly ) good life, loved my neighbour (a lot more than the deranged bigots who commit untold atrocities in his name) and if he decides to condemn me, well then he's just proved I was right about him in the first place.
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Interesting question. If there is actually an omnipotent, omnicscient Creator of the Universe, does that automatically give him absolute authority on morality issues? Or can we still judge(evaluate, ponder on) his actions? What if he commands us to kill, and we refuse? Does that make us evil, or him? Or the Creator is right by definition, even when killing?
To any religious person: If tomorrow God appeared to you and ordered you to sucrifice your children, would you do it? Or would you say "what you are commanding me to do is evil, so you are evil, therefore you are not my God, the omnibelovelent Creator. Not all spirits than can talk to humans are God". We know what Abraham did...
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For many people this evidence is not sufficient, [color="#333333"][font="arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif"][size=2]
[font="arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif"][color="#333333"]And yet they probably accept all the historical events that have the same amount of proof, or even less. A bit hypocritical IMO, but whatever.
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and by many we're talking about the vast majority of the human race, which is a far cry from:
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1 Timothy 2:3-4
[color="#333333"][color="#000000"][font="Arial"]God our Saviour; who will have all men to be saved.[/font]
[color="#333333"][font="arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif"]
[color="#333333"][font="arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif"] [/font]
[color="#333333"][font="arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif"]Further, consider all the people who died having never even heard the name Jesus Christ let along had the chance to believe that he came to as the saviour of humanity, and god (assuming such an entity exists) really does seem to have it in for a large number of us.[/font]
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God does want everyone to accept the gift of salvation, but a gift cannot be forced onto people.
To any religious person: If tomorrow God appeared to you and ordered you to sucrifice your children, would you do it? Or would you say "what you are commanding me to do is evil, so you are evil, therefore you are not my God, the omnibelovelent Creator. Not all spirits than can talk to humans are God". We know what Abraham did...
Since God cannot commit an evil act the whole issue is moot.
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