Unlimited Detail Real-Time Rendering Technology

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Started by cukzor August 02, 2011 10:04 AM

19 comments, last by TomKQT 12 years, 8 months ago

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August 02, 2011 06:59 PM

So far it could all be just a smoke screen, however I do hope its real and hits the market soon, that way videogame companies would finally stop wasting millions of dollars in squeezing a few more polygons and perhaps start spending some of that on actually original and fun games... I'm pretty sick of poly count being a selling point for games that ultimately have nothing else to show for.

So not only is this technology so awesome that it blows all existing graphics tech out of the water, it will also somehow make games more "original and fun" because they don't have polygons? Amazing! Someone needs to invest billions into this stuff.

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NEXUSKill

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August 02, 2011 07:07 PM

So not only is this technology so awesome that it blows all existing graphics tech out of the water, it will also somehow make games more "original and fun" because they don't have polygons? Amazing! Someone needs to invest billions into this stuff.

jajaja, you twisted my words quite a bit there, it was intended as an ironic joke, I don't really believe that this, if true, would solve the entire graphics aspect, I'm just jaded of mainstream game industry focusing full force on graphics and so often neglecting other (personally) more important aspects of a game.

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Krohm

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August 03, 2011 05:43 AM

so far they have only shown a couple of screenshots and videos which would not be all that hard to fake, specially if they get them million dollar investments.

[s]Wait. Is that a supposition?[/s]

Wow, I cannot believe this. It seems like the dude has really secured a couple of million AUS dollars for this....

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TomKQT

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August 04, 2011 06:24 AM

I highly doubt this is the future of gaming. He showed no animations at all. If animating point clouds was possible he would have had something to show for it, even if it looked crappy.

L. Spiro

That's a good point.

Also, I can be wrong of course, but with my limited knowledge I cannot imagine how can you effectively store such a detailed world definition. Wouldn't it mean a game on 10 blu-ray discs, taking you back to the times when you had to swap your floppy discs in the middle of a game, or CDs like for example in the 5 CDs Baldur's Gate?
It probably doesn't have textures as it doesn't need them, so that's quite some GBs down. But a dirt with 3D models of every grain?

And to me personaly, all that mentions of "we are not artists so excuse the repetetive graphics" sounds just like evasion. It wouldn't be a problem to hire an artist to make a really great video, would it? If - if it was POSSIBLE at all.
It's a difference to have
- a world looking a bit like Minecraft and fill it with instanced geometry of 5 different rocks and 2 different trees,
or
- a real game world with interesting scenery.

Overdrive

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August 05, 2011 03:04 PM

It seems that unlimited and unique do not work well together.
Maybe when they will when they discover unlimited ram and unlimited drive space.
Another alternative that i think they should try is unlimited compression.
Nice tabloid title they used there tho

TomKQT

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August 05, 2011 05:20 PM

Another alternative that i think they should try is unlimited compression.

They can use hashing. You can hash as many GBs as you want into just 64 bits, that's an ultimate compression

NEXUSKill

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August 05, 2011 05:28 PM

[quote name='NEXUSKill' timestamp='1312311053' post='4843707']so far they have only shown a couple of screenshots and videos which would not be all that hard to fake, specially if they get them million dollar investments.

[s]Wait. Is that a supposition?[/s]

Wow, I cannot believe this. It seems like the dude has really secured a couple of million AUS dollars for this....

[/quote]
The secret to success is to pretend you've already achieved it and "sell" the secret to others ;)

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lemt

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August 07, 2011 05:42 PM

I've seen lots of people complaining about not having animation.

http://www.youtube.com/user/Quipster99#p/u/2/l3Sw3dnu8q8

This is their old youtube account. They have a video of animation using their point-cloud technology. It's only a proof-of-concept, and several years old at that. They claimed in an interview (can't find it right now, will post it if I do) that they didn't want to show animation on the new video because although they HAVE a working animation system, it's not yet 100% ready. The new video also shows very poor shadows (if you watch the old videos they've improved however), and in that same interview they said they've already greatly improved the shadows.

TomKQT

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August 07, 2011 08:26 PM

I've seen lots of people complaining about not having animation.

http://www.youtube.c...u/2/l3Sw3dnu8q8

This is their old youtube account. They have a video of animation using their point-cloud technology.

I don't see any animations in that video, except for when they show real games like Arma 2.

Flimflam

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August 09, 2011 03:40 AM

I've seen lots of people complaining about not having animation.

http://www.youtube.c...u/2/l3Sw3dnu8q8

This is their old youtube account. They have a video of animation using their point-cloud technology. It's only a proof-of-concept, and several years old at that. They claimed in an interview (can't find it right now, will post it if I do) that they didn't want to show animation on the new video because although they HAVE a working animation system, it's not yet 100% ready. The new video also shows very poor shadows (if you watch the old videos they've improved however), and in that same interview they said they've already greatly improved the shadows.

I think you meant to link this video, since the one you linked contains nothing animated apart from real games: http://www.youtube.c...h?v=cF8A4bsfKH8

The issue with this form of animation is it's frame animation (basically the only animation possible with point cloud data) and is a fantastic example of why animation does not work in a point-cloud environment.

They need to store each of the frames in memory and swap them on demand. Given how much they are likely stressing their hardware just with the primitive demos they're showing, with extreme amounts of instanced geometry and all that, imagine having to store hundreds of frames for a single animated model. Then imagine 2 models, or 3, or heaven forbid 10? There's just not enough memory for it.

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