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[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GoF0khg3Ac&NR=1"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GoF0khg3Ac&NR=1[/url]

Had to share cuz this is pretty funny. It's a year old but I never saw it.
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[quote name='dpadam450' timestamp='1312300805' post='4843645']
[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GoF0khg3Ac&NR=1"]http://www.youtube.c...GoF0khg3Ac&NR=1[/url]

Had to share cuz this is pretty funny. It's a year old but I never saw it.
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They paid her 67$ an hour to make americas army 3.0? no wonder we are in debt, we are paying people 67$ an hour to make a crappy a$$ game!
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[url="http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/americas-army-3/details"]America's Army 3[/url].

ctrl-f, "amber"

She must be really upset for not being credited...
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[quote name='Antheus' timestamp='1312322032' post='4843788']
[url="http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/americas-army-3/details"]America's Army 3[/url].

ctrl-f, "amber"

She must be really upset for not being credited...
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that lieing f'ing s!ut....... lol that just makes the video even funnier in my eyes
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LOL I know a woman in her 40s. She was talking about getting that degree so she could "get paid 70k a year to design and play games." Taking money from these people should be a crime.
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[quote name='Antheus' timestamp='1312322032' post='4843788']
[url="http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/americas-army-3/details"]America's Army 3[/url].

ctrl-f, "amber"

She must be really upset for not being credited...
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Try this: [url="http://manual.americasarmy.com/index.php/AAPA_Team"]http://manual.americasarmy.com/index.php/AAPA_Team[/url]

Hmm.. [Dev]Kitty. And she gets paid $67/hr ? Jesus. I dont think even the team leads at my old company got paid that much.
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If it was a short term flat-rate contract she could have gotten "$67/hr" when she broke it down to 40 hours per week, when in reality she was working 70 hours per week and really making $38/hr and working 30 hours of overtime?

I didn't watch the video, so I kind of open myself up to putting my foot in my mouth, but that seems much more realistic than actually paying someone an over 100k salary for art.
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The opening to the video reminds me of the openings for some of videos one of my friend's roommates often watched on the big screen TV in their living room. Was more than a little awkward going there to work on projects and then have someone starting to watch those in the next room.


I helped my friend burn the couch after he finally kicked said roommate out of the house.
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Easy to speculate on anything, given the lack of information presented in that vid. You can earn a lot more per hour when doing freelance, or a short term sub-contractor gigs... so that figure does not seem so out of place after all. Looks like she is in that boat.
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So? That says nothing about her abilities... perhaps she was asked to pose for the camera?
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Not at all unusual to blank out screens for photo shoots. Easier than finding something cleared for distribution to throw up.
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"I went to school for 2 years, now I make $67 an hour!" This kind of predatory advertising should seriously be somehow illegal. What do you think is the median wage for a graduate of their 2-year program, even 5 years after graduation? I'd bet it's half that--or less, if you count the silent majority that never break into the industry with such shoddy credentials.
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lol @ that commercial. I like at the end they just show her posing around the computer.
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Guy offscreen interviewing her, she's a little nervous...

reminds me of when they interview porn stars after a shoot.

Not that I know anything about that.
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[quote name='The_Neverending_Loop' timestamp='1312322283' post='4843791']
[quote name='Antheus' timestamp='1312322032' post='4843788']
[url="http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/americas-army-3/details"]America's Army 3[/url].

ctrl-f, "amber"

She must be really upset for not being credited...
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that lieing f'ing s!ut....... lol that just makes the video even funnier in my eyes
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she's an actress (porn star?) not a liar, but calling her a slut is not appropriate. Unless she is a porn star, in which case she wont be offended anyway.

Not that I'd know anything about that.
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[quote name='speciesUnknown' timestamp='1312506567' post='4844808']
[quote name='The_Neverending_Loop' timestamp='1312322283' post='4843791']
[quote name='Antheus' timestamp='1312322032' post='4843788']
[url="http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/americas-army-3/details"]America's Army 3[/url].

ctrl-f, "amber"

She must be really upset for not being credited...
[/quote]

that lieing f'ing s!ut....... lol that just makes the video even funnier in my eyes
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she's an actress (porn star?) not a liar, but calling her a slut is not appropriate. Unless she is a porn star, in which case she wont be offended anyway.

Not that I'd know anything about that.
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How _do_ you know so much about stuff you know nothing about sir?
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Academic research obviously. You have to make sacrifices in the name of research.

Hot.
Naked.
Research.
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[quote name='Koobazaur' timestamp='1312406913' post='4844217']
[quote name='Antheus' timestamp='1312322032' post='4843788']
[url="http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/americas-army-3/details"]America's Army 3[/url].

ctrl-f, "amber"

She must be really upset for not being credited...
[/quote]

Try this: [url="http://manual.americasarmy.com/index.php/AAPA_Team"]http://manual.americ...x.php/AAPA_Team[/url]

Hmm.. [Dev]Kitty. And she gets paid $67/hr ? Jesus. I dont think even the team leads at my old company got paid that much.
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Now that we have established she is a genuine dev and not an actor (or porn star) we should probably be worried... what if she is watching this thread, and pwns us all?
* changes his password to something more secure *
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After you posted that she was legit I was like WHAT? So being that we have nothing to do at work, we started researching:

Some basic searching came up with:

[url="http://www.modelmayhem.com/1369631"]http://www.modelmayhem.com/1369631[/url]
[url="http://www.mobygames.com/game/windows/americas-army-3/credits"]http://www.mobygames.com/game/windows/americas-army-3/credits[/url]

Shes from emeryville on her model page, and she is listed in the credits as well as the emeryvillle police department. I think shes getting 67/hr to perform other tasks.
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[quote name='dpadam450' timestamp='1313185057' post='4848422']
After you posted that she was legit I was like WHAT? So being that we have nothing to do at work, we started researching:

Some basic searching came up with:

[url="http://www.modelmayhem.com/1369631"]http://www.modelmayhem.com/1369631[/url]
[url="http://www.mobygames.com/game/windows/americas-army-3/credits"]http://www.mobygames...-army-3/credits[/url]

Shes from emeryville on her model page, and she is listed in the credits as well as the emeryvillle police department. I think shes getting 67/hr to perform other tasks.
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We've already established that she's a liar. She's claiming on video and on her web site that she gets paid $67 to "design" and/or "develop" games, when she is listed as an artist.

I don't work in the industry but I imagine saying you "develop" or "design" games as an artist is akin to saying you produce or star in movies when you are a camera guy.
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Clearly fake, she's too hot.

Also, wait, you guys are saying $67/hr in The Bay is a lot? Isn't that the going rate for freelance/contract work?
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[quote name='d000hg' timestamp='1313195975' post='4848475']
Clearly fake, she's too hot.

Also, wait, you guys are saying $67/hr in The Bay is a lot? Isn't that the going rate for freelance/contract work?
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I've heard from a few sources that that's about the median pay directly out of university for a highly-qualified developer at Google. So it's not a [i]lot[/i] for the Bay area, but it does put you in the reasonably elite.
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This is why we can't have nice things.

Why couldn't a geek female developer also model on the side?

The implication here is that only ugly girls go into development.

Look at male developer profiles: "photographer, musician, designer, programmer, climber, painter, writer". It's almost as if programming is a mere afterthought these days.

And someone being well paid? Why not. If you can not only develop, but can also serve as public face, your price instantly doubles. Same for Google or other companies. Tech skills are just baseline and salaries for those are usually low. But have a persona, and you suddenly become much more desirable with salary to compensate.


Because I don't think a 300lb. Mountain Dew fueled neckbeard in Star Trek shirt would be something companies would like to showcase to attract people. That too defines one's value.
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