Hi i always noted that in all rpgs glasscannon characters are always stronger than any other character. This forces players into mindlessly putting all points in str.

1) A damage dealer is a better farmer. He can kill faster get more gold, items, exp. If a game doesnt have exponential xp requirements then the glasscannon will have twice the level of a tank, thus more hp.


[color="#ff0000"]Then implement a design that counteracts this. If it's like that, you've made a system where your enemies aren't harmful enough to make a glass cannon worry about health at all.
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2) A glasscannon has unlimited hp: People always attack the nearest target, a glasscannon character can just stand at the back in team fights, hide in a location that prevents the enemy from spotting them, or kite the enemy with ranged attacks.Extra survivability is useless when you can just potion spam to recover full hp, or never take damage because you are ranged character. In some games tanks can still die in 1 hit from instant death, petrify, etc.

[color="#ff0000"]Since when do people always attack the nearest target? What if the game is not MapleStory and has no potions? What if there is no position in the game where no one can ever spot you ever? What if a melee character...now stay with me here...WALKS UP to a ranged character and attacks them? RPGs where you get 1-shotted regardless of your health are a lost cause.

3) A damage dealer is a healer. For example you kill tryndamere in 0.35 sec with your instant cast no global cooldown leblanc macro. congratz you just [s]healed[/s] / prevented 17.000 damage when soraka can only heal 300 every 10 sec.


[color="#ff0000"]I've played League of Legends a bit, but I still don't know what LeBlanc's ultimate does, so I don't really understand.

How can you tackle this problem in your rpg ?
1) How can you make hp meaningfull ?


[color="#ff0000"]Force enemies to attack you? Provide higher damage reduction based on the stat that gives maximum health? Think?

2) I wanted to make hp stronger than damage but i havent found a way. i tried increasing the hp gained per stamina stat but battles had the same result !!!

[color="#ff0000"]Maybe implement higher values so you have a wider range of possibilities? Such as 14 health and 10 damage or ... something other than 1 str = 1 damage and 1 stamina = 1 health..? Where is attack speed in your equation?

Glasscannon : 500 stamina, 500 str.
Tank : 700 stamina, 300 str.

Example 1: 1 str causes 1 damage.
1 stamina grants 10 hp.

glasscannon(500.0,500.0) wins Tank(700.0,300) with 769.9998319149017 / 5000.0 hp ( 15.399996337890625% ) in 94 attacks.

Example 2: 1 str causes 1 damage.
1 stamina grants 1000 hp.
Result:

glasscannon(500.0,500.0,0.0,0.0,0.0) wins Tank(700.0,300.0,0.0,0.0,0.0) with 79969.98330950737 / 500000.0 hp ( 15.993996874999999% ) in 9334 attacks.

Is this strange? no matter how you "favor" hp stat, the result of the battle wont change !!! Because the tank will still deal less overall damage, and cant match against the glasscannon.

[color="#ff0000"]Their roles are not the same. Tanks aren't meant for dealing damage, they are meant for absorbing damage. Like I said above, if you change it from 1 HP/DMG per stat point, then you would get different results...also, if you're not in a total 1-on-1-PvP game, then tanks will have a different role. Leave the DPS to the glass cannon and make sure they don't die?

Are we forced to live in 1/1 hp world ? where hp is useless ? how can i fix this with a linear damage formula ? Do i make hp deal damage as well ?

@Tiblanc :

I'm not sure if this is rant against League of Legend or games in general

this applies to all games :
wow : in battlegrounds you can pvp with 0 resilience with pve gear. who cares if you die in 1 hit ? they die that fast too.
torchlight: enemies in hard deal 1200 instant ranged dmg when you have 900 hp. you are supposed to mindlessly grind until lv 99.
disgaia: all enemies are higher level and kill you in 1-2 hits.
I will be suprised to find a game this doesnt happen. Tell me a single game that you putted stat points into stamina !!!

Its like they saying "become a glasscannon like everyone else or die dealing 0 dmg". So you can choose deal 0 dmg and die in 1 hit or deal 9999 dmg and die in 1 hit.
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That's because it's impossible to properly balance the choice between offense and defense in games where you have a variable number of units at any given point. You can make them equal in worth so a 1v1 remains balanced, but when you are in a team battle, investing in defense is weaker because it does not contribute unless they target you. In this case, investing in offense is better since it always contributes. If you make defense worth more to balance it for team battles, 1v1 become unbalanced because tanky builds can absorb a lot more damage.

As for dieing in 1 hit, it's there to create difficulty in games where you cannot create difficulty other than spiking the player. If the enemies did not kill you in 1 hit, you would be here saying how healing is overpowered because it can completely nullify the damage you did and you slowly die because your offense can't piece their defense.

This situation is caused because most games have a single optimum point for all situations. This is usually done for simplicity, both for the designers and the players. There are ways to create multiple optimum points for various situations based on a Rock-Paper-Scissor design, but these come at a high complexity cost for everyone. Players will not want to learn the inner game mechanics to figure out what's going on and will find it hard to get into the game. Designers will also have a hard time keeping it all balanced because there's a lot more than a single growth formula to consider when creating content.

Try to figure out ways to make offense good in some situations and defense good in others and how players can turn the situation in their favor. That should give you an idea of what's involved and why games are made that way.