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Destructible planetary size terrain : SVO, MC or DC extraction, both ?

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Sorry to raise one more time this kind of question.

Gamedev.net is sometimes Santa Claus so lets believe in him and ask for big BIG XMas presents ?

Noise multi-octave function = OK -> Ray marching it is expensive + applying, storing destruction over an implicit function look like a nightmare.

So, storing the 3D noise scalar field inside a SVO to stream/page it from disk ? OK, but which node structure is suitable for destroying it ?

How to shatter the SVO volume and apply physics on shards, shattering again and again upon gravity collision until shards reach the size of a single voxel ?

Physics over such amount of voxels is obviously too expensive. So should I polygonize with a MC function, blocks of voxels in the shattered area and rasterize triangles out of those blocks rather than try to DVR a whole "dynamic" SVO ?

Atomontage answered me that he don't polygonize at all his atoms... How is he doing physics on a that huge amount of voxels ?!

Help ! Help ! Help ! Thanks ! Thanks ! Thanks !
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[quote name='(ok)' timestamp='1338114567' post='4943663']
Noise multi-octave function = OK -> Ray marching it is expensive + applying, storing destruction over an implicit function look like a nightmare.
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Use this to generate your not-yet-destroyed object once at load time, not for real time. Ideally, never calculate anything at real time if the output never changes given the same inputs.

[quote name='(ok)' timestamp='1338114567' post='4943663']
So, storing the 3D noise scalar field inside a SVO to stream/page it from disk ? OK, but which node structure is suitable for destroying it ?
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Depends on how you want to destroy it.

[quote name='(ok)' timestamp='1338114567' post='4943663']How to shatter the SVO volume and apply physics on shards, shattering again and again upon gravity collision until shards reach the size of a single voxel ?
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To shatter an SVO is just taking a chunk of the voxel nodes out and creating a new SVO out of them. If you are dynamically building SVOs for the shards, they can become infinitely small, so place a threshold in at some point.

[quote name='(ok)' timestamp='1338114567' post='4943663']How to shatter the SVO volume and apply physics on shards, shattering again and again upon gravity collision Physics over such amount of voxels is obviously too expensive. So should I polygonize with a MC function, blocks of voxels in the shattered area and rasterize triangles out of those blocks rather than try to DVR a whole "dynamic" SVO ?

Atomontage answered me that he don't polygonize at all his atoms... How is he doing physics on a that huge amount of voxels ?!
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Heavy use of spatial partitioning will help to avoid running pointless collision detection between things that are far away.
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Hi Digitalfragment,

Thanks a lot for the input.

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[left][background=rgb(250, 251, 252)]Use this to generate your not-yet-destroyed object once at load time, not for real time.[/background][/left]
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Ok, I was even ready to cook before and deploy the whole terrain volume(at game installation) as a single reference SVO(even if very heavy on disk), stream / play with / destroy an instance of it in-game.

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[left][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, verdana, tahoma, sans-serif][size=3][background=rgb(250, 251, 252)]Depends on how you want to destroy it.[/background][/size][/font][/color][/left]
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Upon impact with shots and let the gravity break-up the detached group(s) in smaller shards upon collision(+enough speed) with the underlying rest of the terrain.
If I use child pointers, I am not sure to understand how to update the octree after such events.

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[left][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, verdana, tahoma, sans-serif][size=3][background=rgb(250, 251, 252)]To shatter an SVO is just taking a chunk of the voxel nodes out and creating a new SVO out of them.[/background][/size][/font][/color][/left]
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Thanks for that, this is one of the keys I needed to hear !

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[left][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, verdana, tahoma, sans-serif][size=3][background=rgb(250, 251, 252)]Heavy use of spatial partitioning[/background][/size][/font][/color][/left]
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I tried to get familiar with several inner/leaf node structures to store my noise values but I am still hesitating in choosing one that will serve as well an easy ray-casting and physics animation.
I saw one person on youtube publish a sample with fair frame rates, ray-casting only on the CPU.
I asked him about the node structure used and he said he used barely half of Laine & Karas's one (without contours nor colors for test purposes) and their exact same ray-casting algo but without CUDA. Laine's ray-caster looks indeed easy to pull from CUDA to CPU. I probably need to have a shot at something like this but I am still not 100% sure :

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgIXwF53j6I"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgIXwF53j6I[/url]

Much thanks again Digitalfragment. Edited by (ok)
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