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Alpha_ProgDes

The 3DS XL is quite good but too late...

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I have an Amazon Kindle. And as far as handheld "consoles" go, it does the job beautifully. Just the right size. Controls, even though they are touch, accessible and works. Games 2D and 3D are good looking and responsive. So why would I get something like a 3DS XL? It doesn't seem to add anything more or provide anything special/different from what I have with the Kindle.

Would anyone here bother getting a 3DS XL (or Vita) when they already have a Kindle [or insert another table here]?
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[quote name='Alpha_ProgDes' timestamp='1340393499' post='4951812']<br />Would anyone here bother getting a 3DS XL (or Vita) when they already have a Kindle [or insert another table here]? <br />[/quote]

Can you play Professor Layton And The Last Spectre on Kindle? Brain Age2? Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening?
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Have they taken out the migraines yet? Thing always gives me horrific headaches.

Also, I'm baffled that of all the tablets out there, you chose the [i]Kindle[/i] as your lead alternative. Edited by Promit
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[quote name='Alpha_ProgDes' timestamp='1340399576' post='4951842']
Ok. So you're argument is "1st party titles". Fair enough.
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It is the same argument for buying any device.

You buy it because it plays the software you want.

You don't say "I'm going to buy an X360 but no games". Instead you say "I want to play these awesome games so I'm buying an X360." Similarly for the 3DS or any Vita or any other device.

A tablet just has many more uses, and it has many more free and inexpensive apps. Even so some people have no inclination to buy one because it has nothing that they need or want. Edited by frob
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[quote name='Promit' timestamp='1340402445' post='4951847']
Have they taken out the migraines yet?
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Only had those with Resident Evil: Revelations myself. Didn't seem so much like a migraine as neck tension from trying to hold the screen steady, but no idea why that title bothered me more than others.
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It's a fun little device and the 3D is generally effective and improves the experience immensely when it is. It's an improvement on the DS in most every way, and if you turn the 3D off, the graphics are still better than the DS'.

My disappointment is that none of the games I expected to see appear to even be in development. No sandbox games... Didn't expect a GTA, but thought maybe there'd be a Saints Row, or even one of those Gameloft titles that they put out on iPod. Even the DS had Cop:The Recruit...

I thought it would be a great platform for DreamCast era games, too. Crazy Taxi would be a great fit, as would Sega Rally, Jet Set Radio etc. I knew getting remixed versions of the Panzer Dragoon games was unlikely, but I really thought we'd be seeing many more games rehashed from that era.

But I do love the hardware.
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[quote name='Promit' timestamp='1340402445' post='4951847']
Also, I'm baffled that of all the tablets out there, you chose the [i]Kindle[/i] as your lead alternative.
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Well I have a Kindle. But I have played with a 3DS (not XL), PSP, GBA, and DS. The Kindle for me has a great fit and the screen size is perfect.... for gaming. iPad is a bit too big, IMO. And yes, I've played games on an iPad as well.
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[quote name='moogal' timestamp='1340403093' post='4951852']
I thought it would be a great platform for DreamCast era games, too. Crazy Taxi would be a great fit, as would Sega Rally, Jet Set Radio etc. I knew getting remixed versions of the Panzer Dragoon games was unlikely, but I really thought we'd be seeing many more games rehashed from that era.
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Luckily, Vita is getting [i]Jet Set Radio[/i] [url="http://www.joystiq.com/2012/05/25/jet-set-radio-tags-playstation-vita-this-summer/"]this summer[/url].

[quote name='Alpha_ProgDes' timestamp='1340393499' post='4951812']
Would anyone here bother getting a 3DS XL (or Vita) when they already have a Kindle [or insert another table here]?
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I own a 3DS and a Vita, but no tablet.

If you don't care about the 3D, I'd say the 3DS is good for the 1st-party exclusives. My biggest problem with the system is that, right now, you can only buy the latest AAA games at retail. They said you be able to buy them digitally starting in the Fall, though.

One benefit with the Vita is that some future PS3 releases will be released for the Vita on the same day. Moreover, Vita players get to play with PS3 players in certain multiplayer games. The biggest problem with this system, in my opinion, is the shortage of exclusives. Of course, the system is only, like, four months old in the States, and the holiday hasn't come around yet. Edited by shuma-gorath
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Why get a tablet to play games on, when you have a Nintendo 3DS? Effectively this is a tablet, one oriented towards gaming.

The main competition that all handheld devices have had - games consoles, mp3 players, cameras, and yes media/Internet tablets - is from phones, because almost everyone wants to have a phone on them, so there's little need to have an additional device. Devices have only survived where they've become significantly different from phones. So small PDAs/tablets have mostly disappeared because of phones, and instead we now have large tablets. MP3 players have some advantages such as people wanting more storage space or a separate device for battery life, but many people use their phones. Cameras have so far survived due to people wanting better quality for special occasions, or things like zoom, but this will likely change soon (especially if technology like Nokia PureView are any sign of the future of phone cameras).

So Nintendo have already been facing a squeeze from phones. I guess the problem from larger tablets is that Nintendo can't even differentiate by making the device larger. Does the 3DS XL have anything for web/email or general Internet access, or allow playing of music/videos? It seems to me an obvious thing for them to do would be to make their device into an Internet/media tablet itself, so they would no longer lose out, and still have the edge when it comes to gaming.

[quote name='Promit' timestamp='1340402445' post='4951847']
Also, I'm baffled that of all the tablets out there, you chose the [i]Kindle[/i] as your lead alternative.
[/quote]Why not. He said the Kindle, because he has one. Apple users always mention their Iphone or their Mac as their example (even when it's completely irrelevant for us to know the brand), when they're not the lead platforms, I don't see why we should pick on someone for mentioning a popular device like the Kindle, especially when they're talking about something they own.

ETA: Also I presume the OP meant the Kindle Fire, which is a tablet running Android, the lead operating system for mobile devices, rather than the more commonly known Kindle e-reader - I have no idea whether that could do any games. Edited by mdwh
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It has controls. There are good touch-only games out there, but touch+buttons can still allow for more stuff (and allow the full screen to be gameplay, as no hands cover it during most of the gaming)
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[quote name='shuma-gorath' timestamp='1340579623' post='4952468']
[quote name='moogal' timestamp='1340403093' post='4951852']
I thought it would be a great platform for DreamCast era games, too. Crazy Taxi would be a great fit, as would Sega Rally, Jet Set Radio etc. I knew getting remixed versions of the Panzer Dragoon games was unlikely, but I really thought we'd be seeing many more games rehashed from that era.
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Luckily, Vita is getting [i]Jet Set Radio[/i] [url="http://www.joystiq.com/2012/05/25/jet-set-radio-tags-playstation-vita-this-summer/"]this summer[/url].

[quote name='Alpha_ProgDes' timestamp='1340393499' post='4951812']
Would anyone here bother getting a 3DS XL (or Vita) when they already have a Kindle [or insert another table here]?
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I own a 3DS and a Vita, but no tablet.

If you don't care about the 3D, I'd say the 3DS is good for the 1st-party exclusives. My biggest problem with the system is that, right now, you can only buy the latest AAA games at retail. They said you be able to buy them digitally starting in the Fall, though.

One benefit with the Vita is that some future PS3 releases will be released for the Vita on the same day. Moreover, Vita players get to play with PS3 players in certain multiplayer games. The biggest problem with this system, in my opinion, is the shortage of exclusives. Of course, the system is only, like, four months old in the States, and the holiday hasn't come around yet.
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Out of curiosity, which handheld do you find better, the Vita or the 3DS?

And to answer Alpha_ProgDes, I have an iPad but no handheld. I don't feel inclined to get a handheld (at least at this moment) not really because of my iPad. Most of the time, wherever I go, I have my laptop on me, so that's what I use for gaming when I don't have a console present. Even if I cannot use my laptop for gaming, I just don't find it easy to play a game on a handheld for a very long time, cause it puts a real strain on my eyes. I guess I could say that the iPad does put me off from buying a handheld in that sense.
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I look at it this way, hand-held gaming platforms are going to be niche (if they are not already), and therefore may not really be worth the expenditure of time and money to develop for. Why? because more people already own more phones and tablets than will own the latest handy-dandy-gimmick hand-held [3D is a gimmick as well. until they can do true 3D projection where EVERYONE can see it without aids or tricks and nobody gets a headache, its just a gimmick]. Sure, the graphics of a tablet may not be top-notch (yet), but its a tablet, so it isn't designed to be hooked up to a 55 inch TV and dazzle your seers. Additionally, phones and tablets have built-in distribution channels (as well as ways around them for other channels) where you don't have to worry about pleasing wal-mart (although apple, from what i understand, may get as bad if they continue their apple-reich mentality [sorry for the godwin]) as well as worry about physical media.

So, when it comes to it, hand-held gaming platofrms are a loosing proposition, in all ways with the exception of graphics (for now). We may literally have seen the last gasp of the hand-held gaming device, because as it stands, first party titles included, i have no interest in what they're selling and Android / iOS / Win8 devices are just going to get better and better. Hand-helds are just not far enough ahead in gaming capability anymore to warrant a purchase for a single-purpose device. Edited by Net Gnome
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[quote name='kryotech' timestamp='1341230626' post='4954877']
[quote name='shuma-gorath' timestamp='1340579623' post='4952468']
Comparisons...
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Out of curiosity, which handheld do you find better, the Vita or the 3DS?
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If a title exists on both systems, I'll choose the Vita. The better screen, the second analog stick, and the possibility of capacitive touch is a no-brainer. (For the life of me, I can't figure out why Nintendo didn't include a second analog stick on the XL. It looks like there's enough room.) In general, libraries on Sony's platforms are more my taste. (I've owned about an equal number of systems from both companies over the years.)

For myself, I didn't buy the 3DS for the 3D because, as I predicted, having strabismus makes it virtually impossible to benefit from it. The 3DS does seem to get better battery life, though, and it's easier to turn off the wifi.

Vita does has proper support for achievements ("trophies"), while 3DS does not.

The 3DS murders the Vita in the area of backwards compatibility. Vita can only play a subset of PSP games, and from what I hear, it doesn't have much support PS1 classics or minis. I still have my PSP-3000, so this doesn't affect me.

As media consumption devices, there's no comparison. Both have browsers and Netflix, but Vita now has YouTube and lets you play videos from the memory card, plus there's PSN movies. Netflix on the Vita's OLED is gorgeous and YouTube app is quite good. For watching movies, I use whichever system happens to be charged at the time.

EDIT: I forgot to mention that the Vita supports background downloading--both of games and downloads in the browser. Edited by shuma-gorath
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I don't watch TV as much as I used to, but I haven't seen many ads for the Vita. I at least expected there to be some at launch. I know Taco Bell had a thing.

Also, for Sony's E3 press conference, the general consensus is that they should've given the Vita more of the spotlight. After the conference, the VP (I think) admitted that they were trying to shorten the show because they're usually long. The 3DS showed more, but there were a lot of sequels.

The 3DS had a slow first year and the Vita seems to be experiencing the same thing. I'm expecting things to pick up after the holidays.
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