# Alternative minecraft

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Kiel368    239
I've finally started the project.
Voxel engine is almost ready. Today about 10 P.M UTC + 1:00, I'll place a snapshot here.
For now, the performance is: 100+ FPS at 900 16x16 block chunks. Edited by Kiel368

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Kiel368    239
Hi!
As I said, I'm sending you the first build of my game. I know that there are empty spaces on chunk borders. I've uploaded it only to show off that i've started. There are two versions of the game - one is for world size 16x16 chunks (256) and the second 32x32 (1024). Note : The second version may not respond for some time when loading world.

Version statistics: (My hardware : CPU Intel core 2 quad @6600, Graphics Radeon HD eah 5770, 16GB DDR3 RAM, OS : Windows 7 x64 Professional)

Version string: 0.0.0.11 alpha RC0

The code is not optimized, so that memory usage is high, but i'm going to limit it for all game to about 400MB. (Or fewer if possible)
After the game is playable i'm going to deploy it to Android and iOS and also try to build a multiplayer server.

Have a nice time playing this... thing! Edited by Kiel368

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Kiel368    239
Hi again, I've got a major problem: I don't know if using threads in unity is a good idea.
I want to make rendering and updating player one thread and world generation the second.
If i don't, when the world will have to generate/load depending on player's location it could cause laaaags, i do not want.

P.S.:I know multithreading probably won't work on android or ios, but for these devices, i'll create portable version later.

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ShawnCowles    295
The far version is a little rough on my machine, but I have a 5 year old video card. Looks good so far.

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Kiel368    239
Thanks, probably today i'll deploy version 0.0.0.2. New features are as follows:[list]
[*]Repaired mesh bugs on chunks' borders
[*]General code cleanup. Unfortunately it made game load 3s slower, but with old code, I'd simply get lost after adding 10+ kinds of blocks
[*]Scripts can now handle any block shape. (Dirt is going to be smoother. )
[*]Added temp. skybox (Sky is going to be a shere around player, that moves with him and rotates slowly, so that there will be day and night.)
[*]Defined view distances: Tiny - 4x4, Short - 8x8, Double-short - 16x16, Normal 24x24 (possibly 26x26), Far 32x32 (Yes far version will now contain 1024 chunks instead of 900)
[*]Added some more ambient light, so that there isn't such contrast between top face and side face
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[color=#ff0000]Version placed on the next page (5)![/color] Edited by Kiel368

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Kiel368    239
Version Alpha 0.0.0.23 Build is out. Without unnecessary descriptions i'm placing files.
View distances: Normal 24x24 576 chunks, Double-small 16x16 256 chunks.
Have a nice time playing around with this game! (Because it's already a game!) [img]http://public.gamedev.net//public/style_emoticons/default/smile.png[/img] [img]http://public.gamedev.net//public/style_emoticons/default/smile.png[/img] [img]http://public.gamedev.net//public/style_emoticons/default/smile.png[/img]

[attachment=10207:VG16x16DoubleSmall.rar]

[attachment=10208:VG24x24Normal.rar]

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aattss3    387
If you run out of ideas, I would suggest making villages that terraform and go to war with eachother.

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eugene2k    237
[quote]YOU CAN'T CHANGE STH WRITE YOUR OWN.[/quote]
considering the sheer number of minecraft clones out there a better idea would be to find an open source clone and change it instead. Minetest or Blockmania for example.

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Kiel368    239
I've made a bit more in Unity, including terrain editing, basic noise generator, grass etc., but there's a problem:

Unity do not detects collissions with back faces!

Solutions I tried:
- Changing Left/Back/Bottom face with Roght/Front/Top face of the next block. - Not working

Is there a way to turn it off?

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Anxiety    114
[quote name='JonBMN' timestamp='1342025074' post='4958090']
Me personally in minecraft its all the same. Materials that you mine all seem the same as in red stone, lapis lazuli, diamond, iron, coal, etc all have the same block design, just different colors. My suggestion is to really set them apart from each other. Instead of it be all blocks change up the formats and make it so that its not just all 3d blocks. Cylidrical blocks, square blocks, rectangular blocks, all of these to me would make the game unique.
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Minecraft is a game about blocks. I'll just state that real quick. It's made to be a build blocks game, like legos. Something that caught my attention about your post was that you think by changing the shape of mineral blocks would make it a unique thing... No it wouldn't. How would it at all make it "unique"? Lol.

As to the original poster, Minecraft has no disadvantages because the entire game is modable. If you don't like the texture of things you can simple create one yourself or pick from a long list of textures made by other people, don't like how something works then change it for find someone who already did, etc. Minecraft really only has small, small disadvantages.

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JonBMN    738
[quote name='Anxiety' timestamp='1343781502' post='4965042']
[quote name='JonBMN' timestamp='1342025074' post='4958090']
Me personally in minecraft its all the same. Materials that you mine all seem the same as in red stone, lapis lazuli, diamond, iron, coal, etc all have the same block design, just different colors. My suggestion is to really set them apart from each other. Instead of it be all blocks change up the formats and make it so that its not just all 3d blocks. Cylidrical blocks, square blocks, rectangular blocks, all of these to me would make the game unique.
[/quote]

Minecraft is a game about blocks. I'll just state that real quick. It's made to be a build blocks game, like legos. Something that caught my attention about your post was that you think by changing the shape of mineral blocks would make it a unique thing... No it wouldn't. How would it at all make it "unique"? Lol.

As to the original poster, Minecraft has no disadvantages because the entire game is modable. If you don't like the texture of things you can simple create one yourself or pick from a long list of textures made by other people, don't like how something works then change it for find someone who already did, etc. Minecraft really only has small, small disadvantages.
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How wouldn't that be unique? It would be different blocks, different building patterns, etc. You didn't even explain why you didn't think it was unique so I'll take your comment with a grain of salt. You are focused on Minecraft being the great game you think it is when other people would like to see some changes. Now, as to Minecraft having no disadvantages... thats bs honestly. Why you ask? because everyone is not you, play styles are different and if people want to make a new version that they think they could have more fun with then more power to them. Disadvantages to you could be pluses to others. Its all about how you see it.

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Mito    855
[quote name='JonBMN' timestamp='1343832876' post='4965216']
How wouldn't that be unique? It would be different blocks, different building patterns, etc.
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well, take a look on the RedPower Mod, i think you will enjoy the microblocks section, at least until this game cames up [img]http://public.gamedev.net//public/style_emoticons/default/smile.png[/img]

(only a small description: the microblocks in redpower are blocks cutted, so they are half blocks, 1/4 blocks, 1/8, etc, there's even blocks with a hole in the middle, you can even put more than one block on the same spot.)

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riuthamus    8361
I think the major issue is everybody knowsn Minecraft so they do like people do with MMO's and WOW. Everybody thinks the defining game of MMO's would be WoW. I would argue that WoW has done some amazing things and obviously have won over the majority of the public but it is not the best game to play for an MMO experience nor is it the most fun. It is, however, the most professional quality for the ones that are out there ( tera and guildwars 2 have some seriously good possibilities though )

Point is, voxel based games were around long before minecraft ever existed. Minecraft is simply the one that made it big. There is thousands of things you could do to make minecraft better; thus the reason why there is over 1000 mods for the game. To simply suggest that the game is perfect as is really shows your own ignorance and borderlines on the term "fanboy". I have a personal stock in this fight because my game is a voxel based game. We are taking the core aspects of building and placing blocks but that does not make my game a minecraft clone. The premise of my game is 100% different from that of minecraft ( which if you wanted to argue had 0 until they added the bs "the end" ). On top of that the code for minecraft can very much be improved. Unique features as well as untouched modding possibility are very much open to new development.

Having stated this, the download link the OP provided does not have anything of real worth just yet. Perhaps in a later stage of development there will be more than just placing blocks... who are we to tell him that he should not work on this further. I say more power to you, just try and branch away from the normal minecraft setup.

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Mito    855
[quote name='riuthamus' timestamp='1343974215' post='4965764']
Having stated this, the download link the OP provided does not have anything of real worth just yet. Perhaps in a later stage of development there will be more than just placing blocks... who are we to tell him that he should not work on this further. I say more power to you, just try and branch away from the normal minecraft setup.
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you can place blocks on that version? how ? [img]http://public.gamedev.net//public/style_emoticons/default/blink.png[/img]

as for the thing with WOW, it's th same as God of War, Call of Duty, etc. doesn't matter how far you got from this games, if your game is a MMO, it's automaticaly a WOW Clone. if it's a beat'n up with button smashing, it's a GOW clone. if it's a war game, COD is better (it's strange how in this genre people don't say it's a clone...). your game will always be considered a clone of something because 90% of the people that play games those days are just unable to see the difference between those games and yours.

it's up to you if you care. I personally think that fanboys are better ignored. when your game reach the open minded people who will like it, the fanboys will stop complaining and give it a try. this happened to minecraft, WOW, etc... so why can't it happen to your game? just make sure that your game is well done and follow his premise

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riuthamus    8361
[quote name='Mito' timestamp='1343990041' post='4965802']
[quote name='riuthamus' timestamp='1343974215' post='4965764']
Having stated this, the download link the OP provided does not have anything of real worth just yet. Perhaps in a later stage of development there will be more than just placing blocks... who are we to tell him that he should not work on this further. I say more power to you, just try and branch away from the normal minecraft setup.
[/quote]

you can place blocks on that version? how ? [img]http://public.gamedev.net//public/style_emoticons/default/blink.png[/img]

as for the thing with WOW, it's th same as God of War, Call of Duty, etc. doesn't matter how far you got from this games, if your game is a MMO, it's automaticaly a WOW Clone. if it's a beat'n up with button smashing, it's a GOW clone. if it's a war game, COD is better (it's strange how in this genre people don't say it's a clone...). your game will always be considered a clone of something because 90% of the people that play games those days are just unable to see the difference between those games and yours.

it's up to you if you care. I personally think that fanboys are better ignored. when your game reach the open minded people who will like it, the fanboys will stop complaining and give it a try. this happened to minecraft, WOW, etc... so why can't it happen to your game? just make sure that your game is well done and follow his premise
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I was just stating that when he added that, assuming he will... ( he did call it "a game" so i would think it had more to it than just floating around. ) that it would be then he needed to start to branch out.

I agree that people will always call the genre based off of a memorable game. Personally I have made it my goal to beat out that concept and make them remember my game! Is that overly ambitious? Sure, but why even try if you doubt yourself before you get started? All in all, I just posted to give light on the concept that all games are basically the same in each genre. The thing that sets them apart is what they do well. If EA created a minecraft game tomorrow and it was more or less the same but with crytek engine and had some other things you could do, i am 100% sure that people would buy it and play it. It is all in what you do, minecraft and many other indie games have more than proved that!

[b]TL:DR:[/b] Find something that makes your game unique and stick with that.

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Kiel368    239
[quote name='riuthamus' timestamp='1343974215' post='4965764']
I think the major issue is everybody knowsn Minecraft so they do like people do with MMO's and WOW. Everybody thinks the defining game of MMO's would be WoW. I would argue that WoW has done some amazing things and obviously have won over the majority of the public but it is not the best game to play for an MMO experience nor is it the most fun. It is, however, the most professional quality for the ones that are out there ( tera and guildwars 2 have some seriously good possibilities though )
Point is, voxel based games were around long before minecraft ever existed. Minecraft is simply the one that made it big. There is thousands of things you could do to make minecraft better; thus the reason why there is over 1000 mods for the game. To simply suggest that the game is perfect as is really shows your own ignorance and borderlines on the term "fanboy". I have a personal stock in this fight because my game is a voxel based game. We are taking the core aspects of building and placing blocks but that does not make my game a minecraft clone. The premise of my game is 100% different from that of minecraft ( which if you wanted to argue had 0 until they added the bs "the end" ). On top of that the code for minecraft can very much be improved. Unique features as well as untouched modding possibility are very much open to new development.
Having stated this, the download link the OP provided does not have anything of real worth just yet. Perhaps in a later stage of development there will be more than just placing blocks... who are we to tell him that he should not work on this further. I say more power to you, just try and branch away from the normal minecraft setup.
[/quote]

I've read a bit of your blog. You have never used word like minecraft there. Perhaps you're right that if my game has a voxel world like in Minecraft it is NOT minecraft. I'll try thinking that way and maybe some people will play my it.

All truth about the game idea:
When first played minecraft, I immediatelly wanted to make such a game, but develop it in way I want.
I was thinking about original idea for months, but I didn't find anything. Developing such a game became an obsession.
Finally I decided to created sth. like minecraft classic and then think again how to develop it.

What do you think? Edited by Kiel368

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Waterlimon    4398
It needs ramp shaped blocks so you can use carts etc. to pull blocks up and down...

I think minecrft style light is necessary to make it feel right...

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bvanevery    174
[quote name='ShawnCowles' timestamp='1342097272' post='4958379']
I liked the idea but eventually gave up. I didn't want to be seen as a minecraft clone.
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The last Minecraft "clone" I read about, Castle Miner Z, [url="http://digitaldnagames.com/?p=397"]grossed over $1 million[/url] on XBLIG alone. So, are you saying you don't like money? Or you hate voxel games so much, that the taint of being confused with Minecraft makes you want to run away as fast as possible? Or that you're so confident in some other game concept you have, that you don't see making$1 million as any big deal, you'll make it your own way soon enough? My point is, don't let worries about market saturation stop you. These guys still managed to hit it reasonably big, even with all those clones around. The voxel game genre is young, and if you happen to like it, just go make the game you wanted to make. People who talk themselves out of making games, don't make any money.

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s.Mason    110
haha, jumped off the edge into an endless freefall. Anyhow, if you never do finish your game it will bring loads of experience to you merely by the fact that you attempted it. So there is always a benefit from developing a game, even its an exact clone of something else. It makes more sense if you're a programmer, if you have the time, its a great learning experience.
Other then that, I did play minecraft for maybe half a year or so, back when the "minecraft is where its at for voxel gaming era" (mostly before they added all that adventure mode and magic bulls**t and then released it). Heck I even developed several bukkit mods for it myself. And I always had those thoughts on how unrealistic it is and so much more could be added. So like someone else here said, there is always more to expand on, things that could be handled better (realism/physics) and so on. Personally I like the fact that you going for a realistic aspect here, having the player really work for digging themselves that nice little cave to pass the night is a great idea. So I look forward to the development of this game. IMHO you should make a more official thread and/or blog/website or simply re-work your first post and edit the title.... That's of course if you're serious about developing this game. Good luck! [img]http://public.gamedev.net//public/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.png[/img] Edited by s.Mason

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CryoGenesis    528
[quote name='bvanevery' timestamp='1344630470' post='4968196']
[quote name='ShawnCowles' timestamp='1342097272' post='4958379']
I liked the idea but eventually gave up. I didn't want to be seen as a minecraft clone.
[/quote]

The last Minecraft "clone" I read about, Castle Miner Z, [url="http://digitaldnagames.com/?p=397"]grossed over $1 million[/url] on XBLIG alone. So, are you saying you don't like money? Or you hate voxel games so much, that the taint of being confused with Minecraft makes you want to run away as fast as possible? Or that you're so confident in some other game concept you have, that you don't see making$1 million as any big deal, you'll make it your own way soon enough? My point is, don't let worries about market saturation stop you. These guys still managed to hit it reasonably big, even with all those clones around. The voxel game genre is young, and if you happen to like it, just go make the game you wanted to make. People who talk themselves out of making games, don't make any money.
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I guess it's a choice of getting bad reputation and money or good/neutral reputation and no money.
For me I do game development as a hobby and I don't care about money (when it comes to game development). Edited by CryoGenesis

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bvanevery    174
[quote name='CryoGenesis' timestamp='1344650717' post='4968286']
I guess it's a choice of getting bad reputation and money or good/neutral reputation and no money.
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I say that's a false choice. Someone is always going to think something "bad" of you, because the world is full of haters. Ignore them. No money is also likely to leave you with no reputation, although there are some exceptions like Dwarf Fortress.

[quote]
For me I do game development as a hobby and I don't care about money (when it comes to game development).
[/quote]

If you're not / never trying to write much of a game in your life, then you really don't need money and it doesn't matter what you do. If you want to try to do as much game writing as possible, and make the games the best they can be, then you need money. Because without it, sooner or later other people stop paying for your existence, and you have to pay for it yourself. I've stood in food bank lines before, so I do care about money to the extent that it lets me keep developing games.

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CryoGenesis    528
[quote name='bvanevery' timestamp='1344657035' post='4968310']
[quote name='CryoGenesis' timestamp='1344650717' post='4968286']
I guess it's a choice of getting bad reputation and money or good/neutral reputation and no money.
[/quote]

I say that's a false choice. Someone is always going to think something "bad" of you, because the world is full of haters. Ignore them. No money is also likely to leave you with no reputation, although there are some exceptions like Dwarf Fortress.

[quote]
For me I do game development as a hobby and I don't care about money (when it comes to game development).
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If you're not / never trying to write much of a game in your life, then you really don't need money and it doesn't matter what you do. If you want to try to do as much game writing as possible, and make the games the best they can be, then you need money. Because without it, sooner or later other people stop paying for your existence, and you have to pay for it yourself. I've stood in food bank lines before, so I do care about money to the extent that it lets me keep developing games.
[/quote]
You either need money or time and because I still go to school I have a LOT of free time. I'm only game developing as a hobby at the moment. I could make something big and sell it but at the moment I just want experience.

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Nathf    115
In my honest opinion it wouldn't be a great idea to try and remake Minecraft in anyway even if you did make it better by your standards its a niche that's already been filled and I can't see many people that would be willing to migrate over from it. Other than that i'm pretty sure that there is a whole source available for a minecraft style game in the unity asset store. If you decide to take on the project that might be a good place to start.

[b]Edit -[/b]Just seen that you decided to take this on after being directed to the later pages. I will defiantly download and give it a try later on! Edited by Nathf

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Kiel368    239
Hi again!
I resumed the project after 3 months of finding sense of this game, but I finally decided to write it. The reason is: Mobile Platforms. I've seen minecraft for mobile, xBox and PC are three diffrent games, which makes dev. of 'em 3 times slower and incompatibility. When I was about to leave this project i "accidentally" built and tested the game on Android and....it worked fine with 16x16 chunks on 50FPS (and my phone isn't high-end). It seemed impossible. so if I wrote this game for android it'd has a chance of being successful (lukily there aren't much games this kind on Google Play YET). And then by a few clicks I would get a version for PC, Mac and iPhone. All the versions would be the same (except input) so the games would be compatibile with each other.

I've already got a new version (with huge changes - human mob, grass, simple terrain generator, etc.). I'll place it here on 2012-11-11. Do you think, people would like my game (assuming multiple platforms, high performance and lack of all java error stuff like in minecraft)?

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ShiftyKake    118
I'm sorry everyone, if I've touched on subjects that had already been touched on. 5 pages was too much for me. ohk, some quotes from the first page.

[quote name='JonBMN' timestamp='1342025074' post='4958090']
Me personally in minecraft its all the same. Materials that you mine all seem the same as in red stone, lapis lazuli, diamond, iron, coal, etc all have the same block design, just different colors. My suggestion is to really set them apart from each other. Instead of it be all blocks change up the formats and make it so that its not just all 3d blocks. Cylidrical blocks, square blocks, rectangular blocks, all of these to me would make the game unique.
[/quote]

Nice idea depending on what progression you wish it to take. If you wish it to retain as a sandbox building game, then changing the shapes of blocks is unrealistic. You know who much of an ass it would be to build? If you wish it to be an entirely different type of sandbox game, then sure. It's a great suggestion.

Also, a side note, minecraft made the the blocks look similar on purpose and is the exact same reason why the game itself has such bad graphics. They wish the players themselves to make texture packs for the games, so they encouraged its development through that exact reason. People hating the texture.

[quote name='Kiel368' timestamp='1342026673' post='4958100']
Now some of my own ideas:
-When the game becomes a little bit larger, add a campaign. (I read that Minecraft adventure mode is going to be silly)
-Global server with user-created maps
-Components: You can build sth in freebuild (creative) and when put on survival map as a set of semi-transparent blocks, to see where to place particular voxels.
[/quote]

Minecraft adventure mode's intention upon design and creation, was to be able to create a specific part of minecraft for people's modded maps, or "puzzle" maps. It is not designed to be playable as a normal minecraft game, but rather to allow easier and less trusting specific paths. Before modified maps could become a pain because you accidently destroyed a block that caused the entire place to collapse and ruin it, or you would play an actual "adventure" modified map which was a pain in the ass to adventure through because you had to keep in mind what you were or were not allowed to do. Besides that, the actually map builders now don't have to just trust that you won't cheat, adventure map does that for them.
Don't trust what people say, make sure you understand the implications and reasons behind something being added before stating the public's opinion.

the rest are nice ideas, but a global server could become quite a "hassle" as such. Imagine not only maintaining it, but the amount of gigs it would need.

[quote name='Waterlimon' timestamp='1342040157' post='4958161']
I would have hoped the physics and gameplay be more realistic. As in, placing blocks takes time, restraints on where you can place them, gathering stuff might not be possible due to environment (1000 tons of stone on top of the base of a castle, no mining castle base for you), limit to block carrying capacity.
Of course it would require stuff like carts to move blocks around, or on multiplayer other players or npc's to help you. I just thought the player has too much power in how he can edit the world, i want to be able to make a castle where people cant just dig in in seconds or make a pile of dirt to climb over the walls...
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I'm sure many people have said it, but terrible terrible idea. Just terrible. Blocks taking time to place is just another way to say we're creating a shop for you to waste your money on time saving items. This will not be an app game, no-one on the computer would find it worth it. And if you didn't make a shop, it'd be just as bad cause you'd have to sit there while a block takes the time to be placed. You have no idea how frustrating it becomes. Of course, the weight idea I can't disagree with,

And minecraft worked so well BECAUSE of the power the user had in editing the world. Taking that away is like taking away the whole idea of it. Of course, this is a different game, but you don't want to stray too far from the concepts that made it so popular.

[quote name='elobire' timestamp='1342049466' post='4958201']
I really wouldnt ecpect many people to play this (if thats what you want). The 'minecraft' phase has come and gone, along with games like terraria. I doubt you would be able to bring it back unless the game was really realistic.
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This is a different game, he wishes it to be something that is NOT a clone of minecraft. Therefore, basing your statement of people not playing this on the idea that the "minecraft phase is gone" is entirely invalid, besides the fact that your wrong.
Minecraft, believe it or not, is one of those games that you pick up again, eventually, after you got bored of it. It doesn't run out of fun, there's just nothing left to do in it except build what you have already built. So you leave it for a year, come back, and there's fresh new content there besides the fact that you have fun building again. I;m not even going to bother to talk about Terraria.
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I stopped looking further, sorry. It's just my opinion on some things I saw,