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Randomly Loosing 3 Reputation Points

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Before I begin, yes I have read [url="http://www.gamedev.net/page/resources/_/gdnethelp/reputation-system-point-breakdown-r2925"]http://www.gamedev.n...breakdown-r2925[/url] many times.

I have been noticing that I have lost a lot of points, and was wondering why. I looked in my profile, and found that a lot of my posts had -3 attached to them - and it was NOT from being down voted.

What is causing this to happen ?


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All of the posts listed in that screenshot correctly match up to up or down votes in the listed topics... i.e. it [i]is[/i] from being down-voted.
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[quote name='jbadams' timestamp='1344125852' post='4966213']
All of the posts listed in that screenshot correctly match up to up or down votes in the listed topics... i.e. it [i]is[/i] from being down-voted.
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No it isn't - look at the topics .

Your staff - you should know it takes 2 clicks to verify what I said.
1 click on my rep points, 1 click on the post with negative points.

Literally 3 seconds. Edited by Shippou
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[quote name='Shippou' timestamp='1344125956' post='4966214']
Your staff - you should know it takes 2 clicks to verify what I said.
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Do you really think I'm so lazy that I tried to answer you without following such a simple process? To walk you through the beginning of it, I:[list=1]
[*]Clicked into your rep points.
[*]Clicked into the first listed item (which happily resides in the exact same location as the second one -- hooray for time savings!), and checked the votes on the post in question.
[*]The post in question has two down-votes -- one for each listing in your rep history. i.e. it matches up correctly.
[*]Repeated the above for the other listed items; they match similarly.
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Possible source of confusion: were you aware that the voting/score widget next to any given post only shows the total number of votes effecting the post in question?

For example, after a post is voted down once it will display -1. After a second down-vote it would be -2. If there is then an up-vote the display would now be -1 (-2 +1).

The listing in your rep panel shows the effect the votes had on your reputation; there were 2 down-votes on one of your posts (displaying -2 on the widget in the topic), each of which caused a -3 effect on your reputation.

Please excuse formatting or spelling errors, as I'm responding from a mobile device.
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[quote name='Shippou' timestamp='1344125463' post='4966211']
What is causing this to happen ?
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Oh, I don't know... maybe it's posts like these:
[quote name='Shippou' timestamp='1344125956' post='4966214']
[quote name='jbadams' timestamp='1344125852' post='4966213']
All of the posts listed in that screenshot correctly match up to up or down votes in the listed topics... i.e. it [i]is[/i] from being down-voted.
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No it isn't - look at the topics .

Your staff - you should know it takes 2 clicks to verify what I said.
1 click on my rep points, 1 click on the post with negative points.

Literally 3 seconds.
[/quote]

But yea, it's probably what jbadams points out. The number by your post shows the composite score of that post based on votes. Each vote has an effect on your rep (not all votes are worth +/-3 points). For example, [url="http://www.gamedev.net/topic/627378-help-me-change-my-life-and-career/page__st__20__p__4956566#entry4956566"]this post[/url] looks like it as 2 downvotes and 1 upvote, therefore it shows -1 by the post (-2 + 1), but in your history there's -3, -3, and +3.

For what it's worth, there seems to be a heck of a lot of unnecessary downvoting in [url="http://www.gamedev.net/topic/628990-what-engine-would-be-good-to-make-2d-games/page__p__4965863"]this thread[/url] (and various other threads)... I really wish people had to earn the ability to downvote (and could lose this ability)...
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[quote name='Cornstalks' timestamp='1344137811' post='4966253']For what it's worth, there seems to be a heck of a lot of unnecessary downvoting in...[/quote]N.B. down-voting someone also lowers your own reputation now, so the guy who went on a down-vote spree in that thread also just lowered his own rep by a decent amount.
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* sigh *

Here is a painfully obvious illustration ....

[img]http://s12.postimage.org/7aztsxkzx/loss_points.png[/img]
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[quote name='Shippou' timestamp='1344139269' post='4966255']
* sigh *

Here is a painfully obvious illustration ....
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*sigh* you're reading it wrong. Each vote in your rep history will take you to the post that was voted up or down. Click on each one and see where it takes you. Your history shows 4 voting events from that thread: 3 downvotes and one upvote. Click each one and see where it takes you.

In chronological order:
[url="http://www.gamedev.net/topic/627378-help-me-change-my-life-and-career/page__st__20__p__4956536#entry4956536"]Downvote, -3, Jul 07 2012 12:39 AM[/url] (post #26) (post numbers are displayed in the top right corner of each post)
[url="http://www.gamedev.net/topic/627378-help-me-change-my-life-and-career/page__st__20__p__4956566#entry4956566"]Downvote, -3, Jul 07 2012 12:40 AM[/url] (post #29)
[url="http://www.gamedev.net/topic/627378-help-me-change-my-life-and-career/page__st__20__p__4956566#entry4956566"]Downvote, -3, Jul 07 2012 01:21 AM[/url] (post #29)
[url="http://www.gamedev.net/topic/627378-help-me-change-my-life-and-career/page__st__20__p__4956566#entry4956566"]Upvote, +3, Jul 07 2012 06:56 AM[/url] (post #29)

Results:
Post #26 has 1 downvote, and correctly shows -1 by it and -3 in your history.
Post #29 has 2 downvotes and 1 upvote, and correctly shows -1 (-2 + 1) by it and -3, -3, and +3 in your history.

Conclusion: you aren't randomly losing 3 points.

@Hodgman: I don't think that deters such downvoters... I don't think people who go on downvoting sprees care. Edited by Cornstalks
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Put succinctly, the reputation events shown on your reputation page are displayed with the thread's name, it should then stand to reason that multiple rep. events in the same thread will show up with identical names - clicking each event will take you to the actual post that was upvoted (or in this case, downvoted).

Essentially, the reputation list is a permanent record of your reputation changes, while the number next to your posts represents the number of people who upvoted the post, minus the number of people who downvoted it. Therefore these two metrics may not agree, especially since rep. changes aren't always +/- 3 but depend on the voter, so you can very well end up in situations where your post has a number of 0 while still netting you +1 rep, if this makes sense. Edited by Bacterius
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[quote name='Shippou' timestamp='1344139269' post='4966255']
* sigh *

Here is a painfully obvious illustration ....
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That post has one up-vote, and two down-votes, which as I explained above (post #5) displays on the voting widget beside the post as -1 (that is: +1 -1 -1 = -1)

Meanwhile, as I explained above (again, post #5) your log of reputation events shows each of these three events independently with the resultant effect on your reputation score. For the post you've drawn out, the log lists one up vote (+3 to your rep), one down vote (-3 to your rep) and one more down-vote (-3 to your rep). A total of three reputation events, for a total effect of -3 to your reputation. You also have events listed for a different post in that same topic, some of which occurred at a different time and therefore appear later in the log.

It [b]does[/b] all add up. If you're still having trouble understanding or if you think there's some other problem I'm more than happy to investigate and to try to explain things for you -- and we'll definitely take any misunderstandings or suggestions into account for improving the system and creating or improving documentation -- but I'm not really appreciating the attitude you're appearing to give.


Does the explanation make sense to you now, or would you like a complete step-by-step walk-through of your [i]entire[/i] log of reputation events?
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So if I get this correctly, up-down voting is worth 3 points in the log, and 1 point on the post ?
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if i might add a suggestion to the current system based off this post, I'd recommend adding some method of expanding on the post score number to see total up/down's individually.
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I just returned to the forums after a few months break and was surprised that down-voting a post also decreases your own reputation as Hodgman pointed out. What is the rationale behind this?
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[quote name='Steve_Segreto' timestamp='1346271220' post='4974552']
I just returned to the forums after a few months break and was surprised that down-voting a post also decreases your own reputation as Hodgman pointed out. What is the rationale behind this?
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To try to discourage trolling/unnecessary down-votes.
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I'd like to back slicer on that one... for a regular member being able to see the split of up and down votes would be nice, and also aid in eliminating this kind of confusion. I'd actually like to know if a post of mine is controversial vs just boring. ;)
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[quote name='Mussi' timestamp='1346275083' post='4974578']
Clicking on the number shows the down and up voters, not sure if this is only available to GDNet members.
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That's a [url="http://www.gamedev.net/page/subscribe/index.html"]GDNet+ only feature[/url].
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