Hello,
I've been working on making a simple prototype in java (netbeans) for a game for the last few months. The game is a tile & turn based strategy/RPG in the vein of JA, X-Com, Fallout.
I've built the majority of the game logic - the character system (Stats, skills, perks, levels, inventory), the TB combat system (with melee and ranged), some basic A.I.s , simple GUIs, a system for loading enemies and PCs, and a fair bit of the content: weapons (40 or so), armour, equipment, enemies. The plan was to get all the basics working and then recruit a graphics and sound person to help, when I'm fairly sure I'll be able to finish the game.
The main problem is my lack of knowledge on manipulating images. The current set up for the map (which I strongly suspect is not a good one), is a 16*30 arraylist of buttons with imageIcons. Characters (which are just portraits ATM) can be selected and moved around this grid, and the button Arrays imageIcons are changed appropriately. My main question at this point is: 1) can a simple level of animation be achieved with imageIcons - i.e. walking between tiles/buttons, crouching, firing weapons, melee attacks be easily done, even in straight down 2d? If so, how?
Here are some other thoughts/questions - please feel free to comment on any, or recommend reading.
2) Does anyone know how animation was achieved in the likes of JA, X-Com, Fallout, which all appear to be tile based?
3) I've considered some other ideas like putting a graphical layer on top of the buttons (not sure how), and somehow corresponding the upper graphical layer to what is happening beneath on the button array. Could this be achieved, and how difficult would it be.
4) The other thing I am considering is discarding the button array creating a single map for the level, and putting a set of coordinates on it which characters can move to. Would this be any good?
5) Finally, is there a better engine/framework I could use for the project? Definitely not opposed to moving to something else if it would allow me to handle the graphical end more easily. Any recommendations?
If I haven't provided enough detail, or have been unclear, please feel free to ask. Thanks for your help!
Basic Questions on animating tile based games & frameworks/engines
I wouldn't know exactly what framework to use with Java, but you sure are better looking for one, such as XNA on c#, PyGame on Python, etc.
Specially since you are on the beginning, and thinking about prototyping, try to lookup some java game frameworks.
Specially since you are on the beginning, and thinking about prototyping, try to lookup some java game frameworks.
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Thanks Arthur. Doing some XNA tutorials at the minute, seems much better for handling graphics. Might try Unity afterwards and hopefully will have a solution by then!
Daithi
Daithi
Good to see that you are platform agnostic! 
Good luck on your projects, any questions regarding XNA, just shoot (on the XNA board of course, haha)
Good luck on your projects, any questions regarding XNA, just shoot (on the XNA board of course, haha)
If you are using Java + Netbeans have you had a look at Slick2D.
http://slick.cokeandcode.com/
I've used it for many 2d tile based game project. It has support for tiled maps and makes animation easy.
If you wan't more info you should have a look at it and you can send me a message or something. or ask more questions here.
http://slick.cokeandcode.com/
I've used it for many 2d tile based game project. It has support for tiled maps and makes animation easy.
If you wan't more info you should have a look at it and you can send me a message or something. or ask more questions here.
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Thanks !Null. I did have a look on the site earlier, but it seemed like it hasn't been updated in a while. Is it still usable with the current version of java?
My main worry at the moment is that I have made a bad choice with how I created the map. It's a panel with gridlayout, and each element of the grid has a button with an imageIcon. I will probably use bird's eye 2d, rather than iso, as this is my first attempt at a serious game. The bit that troubles me most is animating movement (i.e. a character walking between between buttons). Would this be done by simultaniously updating the button at the current location and the destination button several times, to show the character leaving one button and entering the other?
I am prepared to develop on something else (maybe XNA, or Unity) if it would simplify implementing the graphics, but I'm far more familiar with java. Any advice on this?
Thanks a lot, this has been giving me a real headache!
My main worry at the moment is that I have made a bad choice with how I created the map. It's a panel with gridlayout, and each element of the grid has a button with an imageIcon. I will probably use bird's eye 2d, rather than iso, as this is my first attempt at a serious game. The bit that troubles me most is animating movement (i.e. a character walking between between buttons). Would this be done by simultaniously updating the button at the current location and the destination button several times, to show the character leaving one button and entering the other?
I am prepared to develop on something else (maybe XNA, or Unity) if it would simplify implementing the graphics, but I'm far more familiar with java. Any advice on this?
Thanks a lot, this has been giving me a real headache!
Oh yeah Slick2D is up to date. You just need to download the Nightly build (as that's always the most recent update)
I'm just a bit confused as to why you have a grid of buttons. Do you want to select characters with the mouse or whatever and have them move to that point (animating while moving?)
If so there are easy ways of doing this. Also you can used Tiled editor to make your tiled maps and loads them into java with the Slick2D methods
I'm just a bit confused as to why you have a grid of buttons. Do you want to select characters with the mouse or whatever and have them move to that point (animating while moving?)
If so there are easy ways of doing this. Also you can used Tiled editor to make your tiled maps and loads them into java with the Slick2D methods
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I'm just a bit confused as to why you have a grid of buttons.
It may not be a very good set up. I mainly used it because I already had used something similar to make a battleships game. Each button corresponds to a tile object, which stores among other things the ID of the actor (-1 if vacant).
Do you want to select characters with the mouse or whatever and have them move to that point (animating while moving?)
Yep, that's it. You click to select the actor within, then click again to move. It works, but it looks bad. There are lines separating the buttons (which can probably be removed), and animating movement between buttons is a worry. Can I ask how you built the map for your games? Thanks again
I use an array of integers that stores the id of a texture, which is a 32x32 image. Also store the width and height of the map. Then I transform that array into a 2d array which is basically the map, a cartesian map of tiles, each one being a texture drawn on screen.
Google "tile engine nick gravelyn" and youll find a series of XNA tutorials on this.
Google "tile engine nick gravelyn" and youll find a series of XNA tutorials on this.
Okay. The simplest way to do a tiled map with textures (images) is simple
You have your width of your window and the height of the window (say 640x480)
and then you want to assign a tile size. this will be the size you want the 'environment' to be (not the characters or enemies etc) so trees,grass all that stuff.
I usually pick either 16x16, 32x32 or 64x64 for my tiles. Then (if we are not using slick and tiled maps) we do the following below.
we create a 2D array for our map (just like a matrix) and the size is basically how many tiles across and down your map is. So 640 / 32 = 20. 480 / 32 = 15. (you can obviously create your own maps and load them in from a text or something but That's too much detail for the moment.
after that all you have to do if loop through the code. if the element at index i,j = 0 we draw nothing (or a default tile) and if the element at index i,j = 1 we draw something interesting
and this will draw out your tile map. after which you draw your player after you draw you map, so that the player is rendered on top of the map and not behind. then when you want to move a player between somewhere on the map. you can just to tile movement (eg move it by a tile at a time rather than pixels at a time)
The slick2D way is a lot easier in my opinion though.
If you make a 2D map using Tiled map editor. you can load and display the map very quickly like this
Simples ;). and you can still do your gird movement and stuff the same way.
Sorry if this is a long winded explanation. if something is unclear just ask. hope this helps
You have your width of your window and the height of the window (say 640x480)
and then you want to assign a tile size. this will be the size you want the 'environment' to be (not the characters or enemies etc) so trees,grass all that stuff.
I usually pick either 16x16, 32x32 or 64x64 for my tiles. Then (if we are not using slick and tiled maps) we do the following below.
static final int WIDTH = 640;
static final int HEIGHT =480;
int tileSize = 32;
int map[][] map;
Random rand = new Random();
public void init()
{
map = new int[WIDTH / tileSize][HEIGHT / tileSize]
for(int i = 0; int i < map.length; i++)
{
for(int j = 0; j < map.length; j++)
{
map[j] = rand.nextInt(2);
}
}
}
}
we create a 2D array for our map (just like a matrix) and the size is basically how many tiles across and down your map is. So 640 / 32 = 20. 480 / 32 = 15. (you can obviously create your own maps and load them in from a text or something but That's too much detail for the moment.
after that all you have to do if loop through the code. if the element at index i,j = 0 we draw nothing (or a default tile) and if the element at index i,j = 1 we draw something interesting
for(int i = 0; int i < map.length; i++)
{
for(int j = 0; j < map.length; j++)
{
switch(map[j])
{
case(0):
g.drawImage('your default tile',i*32,j*32);
break;
case(1):
g.drawImage('your interesting tile',i*32,j*32);
break;
default:
g.drawImage('default tile',i*32,j*32);
break;
}
}
}
}
and this will draw out your tile map. after which you draw your player after you draw you map, so that the player is rendered on top of the map and not behind. then when you want to move a player between somewhere on the map. you can just to tile movement (eg move it by a tile at a time rather than pixels at a time)
The slick2D way is a lot easier in my opinion though.
If you make a 2D map using Tiled map editor. you can load and display the map very quickly like this
import org.newdawn.slick.*;
public class Game extends BasicGame
{
private TiledMap map;
public Game()
{
super("This is where you put the title");
map = new TiledMap("location") //and some other parameters I can't remember off the top of my head. Check the javadock for slick
}
public static void main(String[] args)
{
AppGameContainer gc = new AppGameContainer(new Game());
gc.setDisplayMode(640,480,false);
gc.start();
}
@Override
public void init(GameContainer container) throws SlickException
{
}
@Override
public void update(GameContainer container, int delta) throws SlickException
{
}
@Override
public void render(GameContainer container, Graphics g) throws SlickException
{
map.render();
}
}
Simples ;). and you can still do your gird movement and stuff the same way.
Sorry if this is a long winded explanation. if something is unclear just ask. hope this helps
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