Hey,
I'm completely new to this forum. I'm a college student and aspiring concept artist for games.I have recently been working on a game concept because I have heard from multiple pros that one of the best ways to land a job and stand out in the industry is to actually make a game, on top of having a great portfolio. I have very little coding experience, i have made a couple of pretty lame "escape the room" type games in flash, but thats about it, nothing impressive. I was originally going to try and code the entire game myself in flash as a point and click adventure game. However the more i look into it, the more daunting it becomes. I was thinking i should try and get a programer to help me, but i also realized i have no idea how to go about that. Especially finding somebody as passionate about the game itself as me. I was think i should have the entire game fleshed out first, but ideally should't everyone on the team be apart of the whole process? basically what i am asking is, how much information should i have to "sell" my idea for potential coders? what would you guys wanna see before you are willing to jump in a project? i'm just hoping to find some people on the internet, possibly here, to work with me. also, i should probably add that my art is very good, so i definitely provide a valuable skill set, in the end i wanna make a good game but also have some game art experience that i can show off.
any advice is appreciated,
thanks!
also, i wasn't really sure where to post this thread, hopefully this is fine.
How to recruit programmers?
Everyone has a game idea that no one else is ever going to be passionate about, so you recruit people like any other job. You hire and pay them. Programming your game for someone else is grunt work, just like installing someone's pool, cutting their grass, or sweeping their floors.
If you can produce all the art yourself, you are pretty much ahead of the curve though. Grab something like LibGDX (or maybe Flash) and learn how to program the little bits that go into a simple point and click game, and when you are done, you will have a nice little game that can run on iOS, Android, and PC to show off.
If you can produce all the art yourself, you are pretty much ahead of the curve though. Grab something like LibGDX (or maybe Flash) and learn how to program the little bits that go into a simple point and click game, and when you are done, you will have a nice little game that can run on iOS, Android, and PC to show off.
As an artist, having a good portfolio is nearly as good as having a game done. And it's far less... Eh... Doomed as trying to complete a full game with strangers.
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well the idea is that I would work with a programmer from the beginning so they would be passionate about it also, and that they would be in it for the experience too... but i see what you are saying. So maybe i would be better off making a game thats less ambitious but that i could pull off on my own? the thing is, i can do easy things like being able to click on items,multiple levels, text boxes and stuff. but when it comes to complex ideas like an inventory system, or dialogue options, i'm in over my head. it makes me wish i had a coding friend, but i honestly don't know anyone who programs.
yeah, maybe your right. but everyone who wants to be a concept artist will have a great portfolio, having a game could give me the edge over other people out of college. Being able to say that i have experience working with a team of people would be impressive, especially if the game is good. this is advice i have gotten from game developers too... i thought it was a great idea.
As an artist, having a good portfolio is nearly as good as having a game done. And it's far less... Eh... Doomed as trying to complete a full game with strangers.
Hi and welcome,
I can see you mention you have a portfolio and thats good. If you havent already --> Get yourself a good sketchbook setup on conceptart.org and a portfolio to showcase your work (ie deviantart).
Id honestly say for now - bypass working on your ideas and your projects, you probably dont know enough already to get a mod team together or know what to ask coders to produce for you to put things together. Look around on moddb indiedb websites for any projects recruiting artists so that you can work to other peoples ideas as well as your own. Im not saying drop your ideas entirely but just put them on hold and gain experience in working in indie mod teams so you are used to producing concept art and game assets for a group project. That will also give you contact with programmers and sound engineers etc.
Good luck and post back with any further updates.
Pash
I can see you mention you have a portfolio and thats good. If you havent already --> Get yourself a good sketchbook setup on conceptart.org and a portfolio to showcase your work (ie deviantart).
Id honestly say for now - bypass working on your ideas and your projects, you probably dont know enough already to get a mod team together or know what to ask coders to produce for you to put things together. Look around on moddb indiedb websites for any projects recruiting artists so that you can work to other peoples ideas as well as your own. Im not saying drop your ideas entirely but just put them on hold and gain experience in working in indie mod teams so you are used to producing concept art and game assets for a group project. That will also give you contact with programmers and sound engineers etc.
Good luck and post back with any further updates.
Pash
Take a read of the recent discussion "so you're a programmer" where someone asked what a designer could do to attract capable programmers. The majority of the advice should apply to you.
If you're after a completed game for your portfolio you might consider the alternative approach; rather than trying to recruit a programmer to work on your projects, you could see if you're able to offer your services to work on a programmer's project. Ideally find someone with a small and achievable project.
Hope that helps!
If you're after a completed game for your portfolio you might consider the alternative approach; rather than trying to recruit a programmer to work on your projects, you could see if you're able to offer your services to work on a programmer's project. Ideally find someone with a small and achievable project.
Hope that helps!
I believe that Pash nailed it. As a designer it's incredibly hard to come with an idea for a game and have other people code it for you. You would be much more "safe" getting in on someone else's idea where programmers already are recruited and a good way to do that is at indiedb. However, the "passionate"-problem still applies, but for you this time. You need to stay passioned towards someone else's game which could be just as hard.
You should definitely put up portfolios as Pash said, but I would also recommend you to try and pursue your own idea and recruit programmers. The problem is to keep the motivated, and how do you do that? Well, you don't give them a game idea that is fully developed and written in stone. Your start off small with an idea and then you develop together. That way everyone will stay motivated.
So, how do you do this? Well, when it comes to games the usual process, at least what I've understood so far, is that the people who wants the funds to create a game will pitch the game to the investors. In this case you will be the pitcher and the programmers will be the investors.
The first thing you do when you got an idea you'd like to sell/pitch is to write a Game Pitch or high concept. In this you include some concept art, which in your case will not only show off the "feeling" you want in the game but also your skills. If you google on Game Pitch or High Concept you will see the basic structure of them and they are very much an overview of an idea. I'm positive you will find programmers who will like your idea if you make a good pitch and if you then can develop it together everyone will, hopefully, share the same passion.
Where to pitch your idea? Make a project on indiedb and try to market it as much as possible and announce what you are looking for. At the same time just look for other projects where people needs artists and join in on something you find interesting.
Hopefully I was of any help^^
Good luck!
You should definitely put up portfolios as Pash said, but I would also recommend you to try and pursue your own idea and recruit programmers. The problem is to keep the motivated, and how do you do that? Well, you don't give them a game idea that is fully developed and written in stone. Your start off small with an idea and then you develop together. That way everyone will stay motivated.
So, how do you do this? Well, when it comes to games the usual process, at least what I've understood so far, is that the people who wants the funds to create a game will pitch the game to the investors. In this case you will be the pitcher and the programmers will be the investors.
The first thing you do when you got an idea you'd like to sell/pitch is to write a Game Pitch or high concept. In this you include some concept art, which in your case will not only show off the "feeling" you want in the game but also your skills. If you google on Game Pitch or High Concept you will see the basic structure of them and they are very much an overview of an idea. I'm positive you will find programmers who will like your idea if you make a good pitch and if you then can develop it together everyone will, hopefully, share the same passion.
Where to pitch your idea? Make a project on indiedb and try to market it as much as possible and announce what you are looking for. At the same time just look for other projects where people needs artists and join in on something you find interesting.
Hopefully I was of any help^^
Good luck!
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Hi and welcome,
I can see you mention you have a portfolio and thats good. If you havent already --> Get yourself a good sketchbook setup on conceptart.org and a portfolio to showcase your work (ie deviantart).
Id honestly say for now - bypass working on your ideas and your projects, you probably dont know enough already to get a mod team together or know what to ask coders to produce for you to put things together. Look around on moddb indiedb websites for any projects recruiting artists so that you can work to other peoples ideas as well as your own. Im not saying drop your ideas entirely but just put them on hold and gain experience in working in indie mod teams so you are used to producing concept art and game assets for a group project. That will also give you contact with programmers and sound engineers etc.
Good luck and post back with any further updates.
Pash
Thanks for the advice! i already have a concept art.org sketchbook, been on that site for a looong time. My ideas aren't really fully developed concepts, they are more general story plots and gameplay ideas. i haven't even bothered doing concept art so i wouldn't get too attached to my ideas if they don't ever go anywhere. I will for sure check out thats site. sounds like a smart idea to get some experience first.
I believe that Pash nailed it. As a designer it's incredibly hard to come with an idea for a game and have other people code it for you. You would be much more "safe" getting in on someone else's idea where programmers already are recruited and a good way to do that is at indiedb. However, the "passionate"-problem still applies, but for you this time. You need to stay passioned towards someone else's game which could be just as hard.
You should definitely put up portfolios as Pash said, but I would also recommend you to try and pursue your own idea and recruit programmers. The problem is to keep the motivated, and how do you do that? Well, you don't give them a game idea that is fully developed and written in stone. Your start off small with an idea and then you develop together. That way everyone will stay motivated.
So, how do you do this? Well, when it comes to games the usual process, at least what I've understood so far, is that the people who wants the funds to create a game will pitch the game to the investors. In this case you will be the pitcher and the programmers will be the investors.
The first thing you do when you got an idea you'd like to sell/pitch is to write a Game Pitch or high concept. In this you include some concept art, which in your case will not only show off the "feeling" you want in the game but also your skills. If you google on Game Pitch or High Concept you will see the basic structure of them and they are very much an overview of an idea. I'm positive you will find programmers who will like your idea if you make a good pitch and if you then can develop it together everyone will, hopefully, share the same passion.
Where to pitch your idea? Make a project on indiedb and try to market it as much as possible and announce what you are looking for. At the same time just look for other projects where people needs artists and join in on something you find interesting.
Hopefully I was of any help^^
Good luck!
This is very helpful, thank you. I'll probably try joining in on someone else project, but eventually i would like to start or be part of a project from the beginning. I think if i show id be willing to work hard and prove my skills via my portfolio i may be able to get programmers.
I wish you the best of luck, and feel free to PM me with your project(once you join or create one on indiedb) for me to check out!
I myself am a programmer (and can't draw a square to save my life) but had to have an artist to make certain games that required good presentation. So I decided to meet some artists. There aren't many artists in the Engineering Building so I decided to seek them out by taking art and 3D modeling and animation classes. From those classes I was able to befriend artists who had the same interests as I and we made some flash games when our school work wasn't bogging us down. As a perk, I also learned to draw and can now make a decent square.
I believe you said you were a college student. Then my best advice is to meet and become friends with programmers. Where do you find programmers you may (or may not) ask? Well, CS courses of course. Take introductory to CS courses where you can meet other programmers that may have the same interest as you. Also it will improve your coding skills as well so you may not always have to rely on them.
Also with wanting games in your profile, while it is good, you don't need huge, and possibly incomplete, projects in your resume. What employers want are complete games even if they aren't a AAA game or even being sold on Steam. Making smaller, complete games (even those escape the room type games that no one will play) will go a longer way than bigger, incomplete games.
I believe you said you were a college student. Then my best advice is to meet and become friends with programmers. Where do you find programmers you may (or may not) ask? Well, CS courses of course. Take introductory to CS courses where you can meet other programmers that may have the same interest as you. Also it will improve your coding skills as well so you may not always have to rely on them.
Also with wanting games in your profile, while it is good, you don't need huge, and possibly incomplete, projects in your resume. What employers want are complete games even if they aren't a AAA game or even being sold on Steam. Making smaller, complete games (even those escape the room type games that no one will play) will go a longer way than bigger, incomplete games.
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