# How do I gauge How much i'm worth?

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I wouldn't take your first salary as a base reference. Case in point, that business is now defunct, and without additionnal info, its hard to guess "why", but one cause MAY be that it overpaid for the value generated by its employees.
Also, PERSONALLY, I don't believe in the "what I'm worth" attitude. Its the work you do that counts, and the value it has. If you're God, but you're paid to develop a small iPhone game, you shouldn't be paid the salary of a God, but an income that is based off the sales the company expects to make this year based on the products you are developing.
As a result, it is really YOUR duty to find a job that is on par with your expectation of what you're worth, but otherwise, you should always judge your income based on what you do and what is expected of you.

Being that you are a junior developer that develops mobile titles, I would compare myself specifically with these people, and factor in the productivity ratio (Code quality and efficiency compared to other similar devs)

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[quote name='JonathanJ1990' timestamp='1355737051' post='5011604']
i remember one of the first developer interviews where i asked an individual for $20 an hour and he seem ed appalled at the mere suggestion of someone straight out of college getting that much . [/quote] So one guy's comment is the basis of this question.$20/hour calculates to over $40,000. I agree that it might be a bit high for a first job straight out of college -- but it depends on the area, the company, the job, the hirer and what he can afford, the applicant and his portfolio. #### Share this post ##### Link to post ##### Share on other sites 1) Read up on the company you're applying at, their financial data should be public information in most countries and are an important factor when you decide how much to ask for. 2) After you get hired, keep track of your contribution to the business, if you can show your boss that the company will benefit more by giving you a raise than by replacing you with someone willing to work for less you're far more likely to get that raise you wanted. #### Share this post ##### Link to post ##### Share on other sites "Give a man a 10 million dollar salary and, in two weeks, he'll think he deserves it." I don't remember where I heard this quote but I think it's a good reminder not to base your judgement on how much (OR little) you think you deserve. Consider what kind of work you want to be doing, what level of experience and proficiency you possess and what the average going rate is. Take that, add about$5,000 to $10,000 for some negotiating room and you have your answer. Keep in mind that you WILL have a few interviewers actually laugh in your face. That's okay as you probably don't want to work for their company. If you want to be paid well for your services, you'll need to have a thick skin. If they are interested in you, they will want to negotiate but try to stand firm on your original rate (prior to the 5 to 10 G's you added). If it looks like a stellar opportunity, you may want to be more flexible. However, many positions are sold to the interviewee as a "stellar opportunity". Ask a lot of questions! Remember, the more you're asking for, the more interviews you will have to go on to get hired. This is not a bad thing. You'll be getting plenty of practice in interviewing and, best of all, confidence. Also (and a little OT), if a company you work for is hiring developers, try to join in on the interviewing process. It's a great learning experience and you'll get a very good idea of how you compare to other people. Some potential candidates may even inspire you to improve in areas you didn't realize you were weak in. #### Share this post ##### Link to post ##### Share on other sites One thing to add about the Game Industry Salary Survey. When you look at a figure like "how much a programmer gets with up to 3 years experience" - that includes salaries of people with 3 years experience, averaged with people with 2 years experience and 1 year's experience... So someone right out of college should not expect to make the amount shown on that survey. It has to be less. After 3 years you could be making the amount shown on that survey. (Or you might be making a little less, or somewhat more. It's an average.) Also, the amount you get paid is never what "you are worth." Do not equate salary with one's worth. #### Share this post ##### Link to post ##### Share on other sites [quote name='coderx75' timestamp='1355762755' post='5011762'] Take that, add about$5,000 to \$10,000 for some negotiating room and you have your answer.
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I'm actually opposed to that method. I've always been very open about my expectations. A lot of employers appreciate that, even if they risk being shocked by the initial number. This generally means there won't be much back and forth, holding up on candidates, etc. Both parties come to the table with numbers in mind, and you set yours open. It is entirely up to them to accept or refuse, rather than try and probe your invisible hand.

As far as getting a raise is concerned, all you need to do is make yourself essential to the success of the company. When asked if other companies contacted you, be honest: yes they did. Tell no more than you need to. If they're affraid, they'll raise the bar. If not, then, I can't stress enough SimonForsman's advice:

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2) After you get hired, keep track of your contribution to the business, if you can show your boss that the company will benefit more by giving you a raise than by replacing you with someone willing to work for less you're far more likely to get that raise you wanted.
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The one way to really convince them you need a raise is to show that you understand the concerns they struggle with, elevate yourself to their level of consideration, their angle on the business. By doing so, and by really understanding your field, you can couple both knowledges and craft compelling arguments that will make your case.
My latest personal experience on this (as stated in a different thread) is that attempting to move up always pays off, even if it turns into stagnation.

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One last note on the GDMag Salary survey (or any salary survey)
While a useful tool for getting some background info, it suffers from a couple signnificant issues, which tend to lead to higher numbers than might be accurate.

1) it's a survey, not a scientific poll. Self-reporters overweight non-reporters (by 100%!), and have a tendancy to slightly inflate their own salaries when reporting.
2) One or two outliers (very high earners) can skew the results (also to the high side)
3) many of the categories have relatively few respondents, making the data less reliable.

So while there is info to be gleaned from it, don't treat it as gospel or feel like ypu'r enecessarily being cheated if you're not making what an "average" similarily skilled worker does..