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Anonymous is now targeting the Westboro Baptist Church

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Cornstalks    7030
Anonymous has had its little tufts with the WBC, but this time the WBC has [url="http://vimeo.com/55671721"]awakened the dragon[/url] when it said [url="http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/12/16/reports-as-newtown-plans-burials-for-shooting-victims-westboro-baptist-church-prepares-to-picket/"]it planned to protest the school[/url] in Newtown, Connecticut where the [url="http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/17/nyregion/sandy-hook-school-shooting-in-newtown.html?pagewanted=all"]senseless massacre[/url] took place on Friday. And apparently, [url="https://twitter.com/KYAnonymous/"]Anonymous is winning[/url], already getting credit card info, social security numbers, contact info, etc.

I'm all for freedom of speech, but I have to say that I'm 100% behind Anonymous on this one. What do you think?

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ChaosEngine    5185
As a gut reaction. go Anonymous and f@#k the WBC. Couldn't happen to a more deserving group.

And you know what, I don't even think freedom of speech applies. It's hate speech pure and simple, and if they want to slander people like this, they have to be prepared for the consequences. They purport that everyone of their bullshit claims are true. Fine, in that case, prove it. In a court. Personally, I hope someone snaps and beats the crap outta them.

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MarkS    3502
[quote name='ChaosEngine' timestamp='1355703564' post='5011434']
As a gut reaction. go Anonymous and f@#k the WBC. Couldn't happen to a more deserving group.

And you know what, I don't even think freedom of speech applies. It's hate speech pure and simple, and if they want to slander people like this, they have to be prepared for the consequences. They purport that everyone of their bullshit claims are true. Fine, in that case, prove it. In a court. Personally, I hope someone snaps and beats the crap outta them.
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QFT! I hate Anonymous and all that they stand for, however, the enemy of my enemy is my friend in this case.

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Cornstalks    7030
[quote name='Shippou' timestamp='1355708783' post='5011458']
Oh boy .... Why hasn't that nut-case "church" been sued out of existence yet ???
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I don't know, but [url="https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/legally-recognize-westboro-baptist-church-hate-group/DYf3pH2d"]there's this[/url]... I don't believe the petitions on whitehouse.gov accomplish much (realistically speaking), but it'll be interesting nonetheless.

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kuramayoko10    390
[quote]A tweet from the account @DearShirely, which has been attributed to Phelps-Roper said that, “Westboro will picket Sandy Hook Elementary School to sing praise to God for the glory of his work in executing his judgment.”[/quote]
One thing is create a church and go by alienating people, asking for donations and whatever. But intruding other people's lives and rituals is totally unacceptable.

Not only Anonymous but the affected people should go after this and shut this nonsense down.
This world is really coming to an end... Edited by kuramayoko10

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MarkS    3502
[quote name='Cornstalks' timestamp='1355709318' post='5011462']
[quote name='Shippou' timestamp='1355708783' post='5011458']
Oh boy .... Why hasn't that nut-case "church" been sued out of existence yet ???
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I don't know, but [url="https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/legally-recognize-westboro-baptist-church-hate-group/DYf3pH2d"]there's this[/url]... I don't believe the petitions on whitehouse.gov accomplish much (realistically speaking), but it'll be interesting nonetheless.
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I'm signing that as soon as I can create the account!

And they were sued by the father of a fallen soldier who's funeral they picketed. He won, but then the judgement was overturned on appeal and he had to pay the church's legal fees. I am a Christian and not ashamed of it. They are a hate group masquerading as a Christian church. They need to be shut down. Their hatred is nowhere to be found in the Bible I read.

I am so angry at the events of the past few days and then THIS? I want to take a baseball bat to the protest and turn very un-Christian on them...

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Cornstalks    7030
Some select tweets:

[quote name='DepartmentOfLulz']
*spits coffee everywhere* she is still logged into paypal. Anyone need some xmas shopping doing? @YourAnonNews you can has another cat
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[quote name='TeamSt34m']
@YourAnonNews @KYAnonymous Let's order some gay hookers/strippers and send them to houses of #WBC members. Use their CC's. lulz
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[quote name='DepartmentOfLulz']
ordered 7 male strippers who have to hold a sing saying. 'im gay to ben'. Have been ordered
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[quote name='Anonymous']
RIP… lol RT @LulzExecutive: @YourAnonNews just succesfully filed a death certificate for sherley. Her ssn is now blocked
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[quote name='KYAnonymous']
This is a call to all of you to anons and citizens go to #Newtown ct and block #WestboroBaptistChurch picketing kids funeral #occupynewtown
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[quote name='Anonymous']
Called every comic book and costume stores in the Newtown / Danbury, CT area and they are all out of stock of Guy Fawkes masks. This is good
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[quote name='TeamSt34m']
@YourAnonNews botnet AND keylogger infection on http://godhatesfags.com please rt. Only the guilty wont see this
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In terms of entertainment, all I need is some popcorn. This is better than any movie I've seen lately.

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L. Spiro    25620
I dislike Anonymous but I dislike Westboro Baptist Church more. I am ashamed to be from Kansas because of them. And all the wheat but mostly because of them. If Anonymous does things like this more often then perhaps I could start to like them.

Now that [url="http://www.anonpaste.me/anonpaste2/index.php?65e2832b96b888e3#Uxqr8wrq3ljskOY76+ubZQvSmcEtYCbIfZBqWpaGcMI="]everyone knows where they live[/url], I wonder how long it will be before attacks on them become physical.


L. Spiro Edited by L. Spiro

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MarkS    3502
[quote name='achild' timestamp='1355718112' post='5011514']
[img]http://public.gamedev.net//public/style_emoticons/default/sad.png[/img]
What's wrong with wheat?
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Have you ever driven through Kansas prior to the wheat harvest? Endless fields of wheat. Mindnumbingly endless oceans of golden grain. Dotted with a town every now and then.

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JTippetts    12949
[quote name='L. Spiro' timestamp='1355715944' post='5011502']

Now that [url="http://www.anonpaste.me/anonpaste2/index.php?65e2832b96b888e3#Uxqr8wrq3ljskOY76+ubZQvSmcEtYCbIfZBqWpaGcMI="]everyone knows where they live[/url], I wonder how long it will be before attacks on them become physical.
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And this part is what I am uncomfortable about.

WBC are contemptible a-holes, some of the worst, most wretched people I have ever heard about, but I just don't think that answering their scummy behavior with illegal attacks, identity theft/credit card fraud and physical violence is any kind of good idea at all. We should be trying to become a better people, not worse. Stooping to their level, matching villainy for villainy, has never resulted in a better place for anyone.

Still, though, I [i]intensely[/i] dislike those WBC people, and it really is difficult to not wish them harm.

I hear ya about the wheat, though.

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MarkS    3502
[quote name='JTippetts' timestamp='1355719730' post='5011528']
And this part is what I am uncomfortable about.
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I agree and it is why I do not normally support Anonymous. I want WBC to be taken down, but through legal means. Unfortunately, there are not too many legal avenues at the moment.

Hopefully that petition will be taken seriously by the White House and their tax exempt status will be rescinded along with them being listed as a hate group. That alone should bankrupt them. If Anonymous can get people to Connecticut to physically block their protest, all the better.

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JTippetts    12949
[quote name='MarkS' timestamp='1355720894' post='5011540']
[quote name='JTippetts' timestamp='1355719730' post='5011528']
And this part is what I am uncomfortable about.
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I agree and it is why I do not normally support Anonymous. I want WBC to be taken down, but through legal means. Unfortunately, there are not too many legal avenues at the moment.

Hopefully that petition will be taken seriously by the White House and their tax exempt status will be rescinded along with them being listed as a hate group. That alone should bankrupt them. If Anonymous can get people to Connecticut to physically block their protest, all the better.
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For the record, I am also uncomfortable about listing groups as "hate groups". This feels too much like thoughtcrime to me, and I don't know that we should be looking to 1984 as our guidebook to more effective government. Free speech is free speech, and if we aren't willing to defend free speech, regardless of our personal beliefs regarding the speaker, then we all will eventually lose our right to free speech. Laws that can be used to label and criminalize one group can easily be turned to label another, based upon the whims and prejudices of the ones in control of those laws.

Revoking their tax exempt status, though, I am 100% in favor of.

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Hodgman    51223
I find it interesting that people can like/dislike "anonymous", as a group, because they're just a name, like "Al Qaeda", for an idea, not a real organisation. They don't really exist, which is the point.

When I was growing up, I had a few friends that were what you'd now call "script kiddies" (or what the media would call "hackers")... Some people from this era used this hobby within their own ethical frameworks, like [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WANK_(computer_worm)"]attacking NASA[/url] when they were planning a mission that could've [url="http://www.animatedsoftware.com/cassini/hp9708ps.htm"]potentially dirty-bombed the whole world[/url]... however, my friends just "hacked into" random corporate networks, and got random office workers into trouble by deleting their spreadsheets and launching instances of Doom on their workstations...

"Anonymous" as an idea, is a magnet for these trouble-makers, and shows them that instead of getting up to random mischief they can belong to some kind of "movement", and direct their mischief towards some perceived enemy of mankind. In that sense, it's quite a powerful idea that's creating political and social awareness within intelligent but troubled youths -- not creating or reducing trouble, but focussing it. Edited by Hodgman

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Cornstalks    7030
[quote name='JTippetts' timestamp='1355721745' post='5011546']
For the record, I am also uncomfortable about listing groups as "hate groups". This feels too much like thoughtcrime to me, and I don't know that we should be looking to 1984 as our guidebook to more effective government. Free speech is free speech
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There's a difference between hating gays and voicing this opinion, and picketing the funerals of massacred children. I don't necessarily think they should be labeled a hate group for the thought of hate, but for the sick, disturbed manifestation of that thought (that is, this isn't what I'd call a thoughtcrime).

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L. Spiro    25620
I am waiting for Westboro Baptist Church’s reaction. Do they even know they are under siege? They aren’t likely to be the most Internet savvy group of people.
Are they just going to find out one day their credit cards are empty, their social security numbers are blocked, etc., and look around dumbfounded?


L. Spiro

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alh420    5995
[quote name='Hodgman' timestamp='1355722230' post='5011550']
I find it interesting that people can like/dislike "anonymous", as a group, because they're just a name, like "Al Qaeda", for an idea, not a real organisation. They don't really exist, which is the point.
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Thank you for pointing this out.
This is too often forgotten... so I think it is good to repeat: There are no such thing as an "anonymous" organisation.
There is no central planning, no direction, no member fee or even any discernable ideology.
It's just a name you can use to get a bit more publicity for your actions.

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way2lazy2care    790
[quote name='ChaosEngine' timestamp='1355703564' post='5011434']
And you know what, I don't even think freedom of speech applies. It's hate speech pure and simple, and if they want to slander people like this, they have to be prepared for the consequences. They purport that everyone of their bullshit claims are true. Fine, in that case, prove it. In a court. Personally, I hope someone snaps and beats the crap outta them.
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[quote name='MarkS' timestamp='1355710184' post='5011466']
And they were sued by the father of a fallen soldier who's funeral they picketed. He won, but then the judgement was overturned on appeal and he had to pay the church's legal fees.
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This is the biggest problem imo. I have no idea how they get away with what is clearly harassment. Even when they lose, they appeal endlessly. The right to freedom of speech isn't a right to say whatever you want without consequences, which is unfortunately the 'reality' WBC lives in until somebody decides to make an example of them.

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LennyLen    5715
[quote name='JTippetts' timestamp='1355721745' post='5011546']
Free speech is free speech, and if we aren't willing to defend free speech, regardless of our personal beliefs regarding the speaker, then we all will eventually lose our right to free speech.
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Free speech is an extremely important principle, and there's a very good reason why it is included as a "universal human right." However, free speech should not give anyone the right to say whatever they want whenever they want. For example, if you managed to convince a large enough group of people to go around stating that some person of note was a paedophile, chances are that you will cause that person irreparable damage to their image, and therefore to their livelihood. In otherwords, your actions will have impinged the basic rights of another. And that's where the line should be drawn in matters like free speech - you have the right to say whatever you want, whenever you want, so long as what you say will not lessen the rights of others.

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Hodgman    51223
As above, speech can be used to hurt people -- threats, intimidation, bullying, harassment, libel, defamation, incitement, fraud, scams, hoaxes, cult inductions (and questionably, sedition) can all be crimes that cause real damage to another person, and are in no way protected by the right to "freedom of speech".

Try shouting the word "bomb" in an airport and see how well "free speech" protects you the effects of your action [img]http://public.gamedev.net//public/style_emoticons/default/wink.png[/img]

"Hate speech" laws are generally crafted with very specific wording to ensure that they're not able to be used by the state as weapons of censorship, or to arbitrarily attack the rights of groups that aren't hurting people.

It's amazing to me that WBC has managed to defend all of their hurtful actions under "free speech"... surely they must've crossed a line into at least the realm of harassment at least once by now?

[quote name='Olof Hedman' timestamp='1355746143' post='5011653']There are no such thing as an "anonymous" organisation.[/quote]Yeah, so when you taunt "anonymous" and dare them to attack you, you're really presenting that dare to every person who is capable of acting on it, who doesn't want to take personal responsibility for their actions. They're as ethereal as "[i]the terrorists[/i]". Edited by Hodgman

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JTippetts    12949
I just don't like slippery slopes, and once the government gets involved in anything, that's the very definition of a slippery slope.

Still, though.... it's really hard to defend WBC in any way, shape or form. Man, those are some revolting people. And yeah, it's hard to believe that they have managed to avoid actual harassment convictions. A lot of what they do has really crossed all sorts of lines.

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