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Nibbles    569
[quote name='Michael Tanczos' timestamp='1355921796' post='5012417']
The kid is a toddler totally at the mercy of their parent's protection. I'm surprised at the lack of empathy here.. this isn't a funny clip at all. Though to be fair, I am the parent of a toddler myself.
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Agreed, though it's Montreal so I'm not really surprised at the reaction of the people around. I'll never find humor in anything involving toddlers getting hurt, especially with this birds intent... Christ, I've got my dog close to me if I see any large ass birds flying around.

I do like this clip for the fact that I do find Bald Eagles amazing birds even if this one was a bit of an asshole. I wikipedia'd Bald Eagle after watching this and what's up with their eyebrows? they look angry all the time. Like my wife. :)

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alh420    5995
Seems most people are agreeing that the clip is fake anyhow, so no need to get worried about neither the kid nor the bird :)

One of the most compelling arguments I've seen (but can't verify) is that the bird does not look like any eagle that is indigenous to north america.
And that they normally can lift 2-3 kg so a kid that age is way out of their size. Edited by Olof Hedman

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rip-off    10976
[quote name='Olof Hedman' timestamp='1355924695' post='5012434']
Seems most people are agreeing that the clip is fake anyhow, so no need to get worried about neither the kid nor the bird [img]http://public.gamedev.net//public/style_emoticons/default/smile.png[/img]

One of the most compelling arguments I've seen (but can't verify) is that the bird does not look like any eagle that is indigenous to north america.
And that they normally can lift 2-3 kg so a kid that age is way out of their size.
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For me, it was the kid's reaction. Most kids cry at merely falling over, let alone being hoisted into the air and unceremoniously dropped again. I was getting a more "I appear to have dropped my delicious ice cream" vibe.

That and I've been told that the big birds of prey can exert more pressure with their talons than an rottweiler's jaw...

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cowsarenotevil    3005
If it's fake it's probably the most impressive fake I've ever seen. There's no masking artifacts even though the parent occludes the eagle and the eagle occludes the kid. All of the shadows and lighting match up perfectly at all times and there are no overlap artifacts on the shadows either. All of the reactions seem awfully real to me, too. Also the shot seems like it's actually handheld (rather than the motion being added in post) so that means there would need to be some very accurate motion tracking in order to fake this too.

I guess it could have been faked with some kind of doll that was bait for the eagle that was swapped for a real kid while the cameraman is looking down, but that sounds pretty ridiculous and unpredictable.

I'll go with Occam's razor on this one: if it were fake a) there would be no reason to set it up such a difficult shot as there would be other ways to get roughly the same effect and b) I'd expect there to be some evidence of manipulation, and I can't find any.

The only reason not to believe it that I can see is that it's such an amazing video, but I imagine that it's ultimately just as likely that somewhere an incident like this has been caught on video than that someone would go too all the trouble of making such a convincing fake in roughly the most difficult way possible for seemingly no reason. Edited by cowsarenotevil

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brx    720
Well, looking at this video: [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjOljUMc-Nc"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjOljUMc-Nc[/url] it does look like a fake to me. The way the kid keeps on going after the eagle let go doesn't look right to me.

Another thing that has been mentioned in an article about this video is that such an eagle would first kill the prey on the ground and then carry it away instead of carrying away the living prey (don't know if that is true, I am not to familiar with how eagles do this kind of thing). To be complete, here's the article (it's in German though): [url="http://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/natur/angebliche-adler-attacke-in-kanada-youtube-video-scheint-gefaelscht-a-873816.html"]http://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/natur/angebliche-adler-attacke-in-kanada-youtube-video-scheint-gefaelscht-a-873816.html[/url] Edited by brx

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alh420    5995
[quote name='cowsarenotevil' timestamp='1355927237' post='5012444']
I guess it could have been faked with some kind of doll that was bait for the eagle that was swapped for a real kid while the cameraman is looking down, but that sounds pretty ridiculous and unpredictable.
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[quote name='cowsarenotevil' timestamp='1355927237' post='5012444']The only reason not to believe it that I can see is that it's such an amazing video, but I imagine that it's ultimately just as likely that somewhere an incident like this has been caught on video than that someone would go too all the trouble of making such a convincing fake in roughly the most difficult way possible for seemingly no reason.
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People have done a lot more ridiculous things to make a good youtube video and get a few oohs and ahs.

I don't see it as that unlikely that the bird is a trained falconeering bird, and the child being picked up being a doll.
In fact, I see this as extremely likely given that a bird that size shouldn't be able to lift a 7-8kg child even a foot above ground.
The running-with-the-camera is an excellent time for a switch.

I also think the child should be more injured from both the fall and the claws of the bird if it was actually attacked, and a lot more chocked.

Its not that hard to set up, no need for computer trickery, and a lot more likely then a wild big bird even being anywhere near a park with lots of people.
Bird attacks like that, even if occasionally reported, is highly debated if they actually occur at all, or is just urban legends, so if they occur they are extremely uncommon, so even less likely to get this good footage of one. Edited by Olof Hedman

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Nibbles    569
I actually don't find this too difficult to believe. The eagle knew that there was movement around it's prey so maybe that's why it just tried to grab the child and take off with it. If the child were alone though this could have been a MUCH different and sad story.

I remember this story on the news last year. Similar but with a dog; an 18lb dog.

[url="http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/43101663/ns/today-today_pets_and_animals/t/near-death-drop-winds-saving-dogs-life/#.UNHbTeLAd8E"]http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/43101663/ns/today-today_pets_and_animals/t/near-death-drop-winds-saving-dogs-life/#.UNHbTeLAd8E[/url]

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Nibbles    569
case closed.

[url="http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/the-hot-button/the-squawking-skeptics-were-right-eagle-video-is-a-student-hoax/article6552948/"]http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/the-hot-button/the-squawking-skeptics-were-right-eagle-video-is-a-student-hoax/article6552948/[/url]

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way2lazy2care    790
[quote name='Kickpuncher' timestamp='1355945820' post='5012558']
case closed.

[url="http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/the-hot-button/the-squawking-skeptics-were-right-eagle-video-is-a-student-hoax/article6552948/"]http://www.theglobea...article6552948/[/url]
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So they made a toddler cry for entertainment?! sickos.

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Erik Rufelt    5901
Interestingly it might have happened for real before: http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=TS18691231.2.12

Not hard to believe, considering: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yz7FFlFy8eM

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cowsarenotevil    3005
Is there a definitive explanation of how it was faked by the people who made it? Like I said before, I can imagine that the part where the kid is actually in the air is faked either with a prop or maybe even with some post processing, but I'd have a hard time believing that the eagle wasn't really there grabbing at something.

If it [i]is[/i] all composited by computer I'd be extremely impressed.

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frob    44908
[quote name='cowsarenotevil' timestamp='1355955388' post='5012615']
Is there a definitive explanation of how it was faked by the people who made it? Like I said before, I can imagine that the part where the kid is actually in the air is faked either with a prop or maybe even with some post processing, but I'd have a hard time believing that the eagle wasn't really there grabbing at something.

If it [i]is[/i] all composited by computer I'd be extremely impressed.
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Yes, there was one link provided in the "case closed" post.

It was done as an academic project. I don't believe the students at at the art school ever purported it to be real. It was tweeted and retweeted and spread virally (including here), but I don't think anyone involved claimed it to be true.

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cowsarenotevil    3005
[quote name='frob' timestamp='1355966876' post='5012662']
[quote name='cowsarenotevil' timestamp='1355955388' post='5012615']
Is there a definitive explanation of how it was faked by the people who made it? Like I said before, I can imagine that the part where the kid is actually in the air is faked either with a prop or maybe even with some post processing, but I'd have a hard time believing that the eagle wasn't really there grabbing at something.

If it [i]is[/i] all composited by computer I'd be extremely impressed.
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Yes, there was one link provided in the "case closed" post.

It was done as an academic project. I don't believe the students at at the art school ever purported it to be real. It was tweeted and retweeted and spread virally (including here), but I don't think anyone involved claimed it to be true.
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So the link works for you? Because it's broken for me.

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