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This seems like a very dumb question, but every laptop, desktop I've seen comes with Windows or Mac pre-installed. Then who cares to switch to Linux? Linux can't run everyday programs such as MS office..

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True, end users typicaly don't use it.

 

People use Linux because MS and Mac suck as servers. I mean let's face it, would you want the internets backbone servers to run on something that crashes every 24-48 hours.

 

Unix like Linux is perfect for building servers but unlike linux, Unix often is not GPL licensed.

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Linux can't run everyday programs such as MS office..

 

 

Terrible example.  See http://www.openoffice.org  (Which I use on my Windows machine instead of MS Office BTW)

 

That doesn't really answer to question... it's not an argument, where you need to come up with counterexamples. He just wants to know. I'd like to know too.

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Linux is just about the best OS out there. It will run many MS programs through WINE, and if it wont run, there are several substitute softwares. The best Linux distros ive used sofar are... ubunt(before version 10.10) , Linux MINT, Crunchbang.  Every since i switched to linux back in 205ish... i've found it very difficult to chang back to windows. and well... Mac OS is for losers.

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Linux can't run everyday programs such as MS office..

 

 

Terrible example.  See http://www.openoffice.org  (Which I use on my Windows machine instead of MS Office BTW)

 

That doesn't really answer to question... it's not an argument, where you need to come up with counterexamples. He just wants to know. I'd like to know too.

It seemed his argument to why no-one would use Linux includes not being able to run programs like MS Office.  I showed him you can use programs (like) MS Office, thus refuting one of his reasons NOT to use Linux. 

 

However, I only use Linux at work, and prefer Windows at home, so that's all I can offer.

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I think the reason that computer manufacturers install Windows on their PCs is because it's generally more user friendly than Linux. Although, I think Ubuntu is converting to be more user friendly with its Unity desktop.

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My router uses Linux, though I don't use it as a desktop OS. I use Windows 7 32 bit currently. I have a bootable Linux disc (Knoppix), for recovery of files when Windows fails to boot. I'll probably use Ubuntu when I need to port my game to Linux.

 

500 million smartphone users run Linux.

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People use Linux because MS and Mac suck as servers. I mean let's face it, would you want the internets backbone servers to run on something that crashes every 24-48 hours.

don't know what you've been doing with windows, but i've had apache and mysql running on my windows 7 home pc as a server, and it has yet to crash within the last year of being up.

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Linux can't run everyday programs such as MS office..

 
 
Terrible example.  See http://www.openoffice.org  (Which I use on my Windows machine instead of MS Office BTW)
 
That doesn't really answer to question... it's not an argument, where you need to come up with counterexamples. He just wants to know. I'd like to know too.
It seemed his argument to why no-one would use Linux includes not being able to run programs like MS Office.  I showed him you can use programs (like) MS Office, thus refuting one of his reasons NOT to use Linux. 
 
However, I only use Linux at work, and prefer Windows at home, so that's all I can offer.
I would like to try Ubuntu, but the main reason I can't abandon Windows is Visual Studio, the best C++ IDE. Plus MS doesn't officially support applications runnig under WINE.

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People use Linux because MS and Mac suck as servers. I mean let's face it, would you want the internets backbone servers to run on something that crashes every 24-48 hours.

don't know what you've been doing with windows, but i've had apache and mysql running on my windows 7 home pc as a server, and it has yet to crash within the last year of being up.

 

Silly; we can't let facts get in the way of things now can we ;)

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I have a dual boot setup, I usually just run Windows 7, although I run cygwin, GIMP, Blender, OpenOffice, Inkscape, an assortment of gnuw32 tools such as sed, bison, flex, and a lot of other open source programs. I like Linux a lot, my programs are cross compatible most of the time, and I would love to switch to it entirely, but I can't seem to part from Visual C++, even though I do like Code::Blocks and know enough of command line gcc and gdb to defend myself.

 

One of the big problems as usual is the lack of games, which I hope to see diminished as there is now a Steam for Linux in open beta, and Valve plans to continue to develop and port games for the 3 mayor PC platforms.

 

The other problem I see is lack of third party hardware support, a lot of the drivers are reverse engineered, and while they work, they are sometimes hard to set up (depending on the distro of course), or lack a lot of optimization, and some of the official drivers are still lacking some features (I still can't get my Official NVidia drivers to get along with vncserver for some reason).

 

The games I played on Linux run perfectly fine though (mostly id games or games based off id tech and pre UT3 Unreal Engine, Doom3, ETQW, Prey).

 

I do have a Linux server 24/7 at home though.

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I'm using Linux for "everything server" because that's what it's good at. I would wish to use it for "desktop" too, but it's far from being usable for that.

 

Hate Microsoft, or love them, but they still have undisputably the most usable system (despite Windows 8) and the most usable software (no, OpenOffice is not an alternative). If Apple was what it used to be in the 1990s, it would be an easy decision, but meh...

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This seems like a very dumb question, but every laptop, desktop I've seen comes with Windows or Mac pre-installed. Then who cares to switch to Linux?

 

People who use Linux are those who care to use it; mainly, individuals who know how.  It's not hard to add, either as a separate partition or on a secondary drive of some kind.  These days you can wedge a lot of them on thumb drives and use those instead.

 

And yes, I use Linux as my primary development environment and Windows for media related things (movies, games, etc.).

 

 

The other problem I see is lack of third party hardware support, a lot of the drivers are reverse engineered, and while they work, they are sometimes hard to set up (depending on the distro of course), or lack a lot of optimization, and some of the official drivers are still lacking some features (I still can't get my Official NVidia drivers to get along with vncserver for some reason).

 

Agreed.  Hardware support on Linux has always been very hit or miss.  If you get lucky it's amazing but if you strike out it can be a truly horrible experience.

 

Also, yes, games on Linux are usually pretty solid if you manage to avoid the various driver-related pitfalls.  Wine itself has come a long way.

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which I hope to see diminished as there is now a Steam for Linux in open beta, and Valve plans to continue to develop and port games for the 3 mayor PC platforms.

 

I still don't know how likely this is; not many companies have a Linux backend setup and unless you can convince the big guys to also support it then it could remain a problem.

 

On a related note when I mentioned the "Valve box" in conversation at work the general consensus was "not worth thinking about right now" as iOS, and to a lesser extent Android, are bigger concerns for our core team (and those are in parallel with the next gen of console hardware) right now and for probably the next year at least.

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I use both Linux and Windows (dual-boot) as workstation. I spend most of my time on Linux, though. In a nutshell, for me:

 

Linux: coding, browsing, multimedia

Windows: cross-platform checking, games and multimedia

 

Though I agree Linux driver support can be excruciating if you're unlucky. I'm currently not playing any games on my Linux installation because the proprietary ATI drivers are very unstable on my system, but that doesn't bother me, my system wasn't meant for gaming, I've got Windows for that.

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I'm going to try to put my Linux fanboyism aside:

 

For development, I find Linux to be a little easier to get started. You simply install most of the things you need to get started via the package manager and go. And when you do need to compile your own dependency, I find it less of a headache.

 

I also prefer the idea of Linux. Most distributions like Ubuntu are mostly if not all open source. This allows for the community as a whole to work on things together. The beauty of it is that you can go hack on your favorite Linux application most of the time and get things fixed.

 

Typically, if you have well supported hardware, Linux is rock solid. Because hardware vendors sometimes don't release specifications for their hardware drives can be a bear. Normally there is some support somewhere but it's hard to reverse engineer other drivers or figure out how to write some from scratch.

 

I for one am a fan of Kubuntu's latest version 12.10. I find KDE (The desktop environment, like explorer in Windows) to be a good transition from other OSs that doesn't sacrifice customizability. Out of the box, the applications bundled are rock solid as well. If you are a coder, you'll likely love KDevelop or even just Kate.

 

I do keep a windows box around for gaming and some media in general hooked up to my TV but that is it. And with Steam beta being out for Linux, and Netflix at least working for now, that Windows Box may not survive much longer.

 

My suggestion to you is to go out and download Kubuntu 12.10 and put it on a USB Drive to test it. You don't have to install it to test it out. The experience won't be as good running from a USB Drive but you can at least test some of your system compatibility.

 

Here's a link: http://www.kubuntu.org/

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We boast over two million regular users of Ubuntu.  Worldwide over 10% of laptops and desktops ship with Ubuntu (it seems the world can sometimes be considered to include places other than the contiguous 48 States, Alaska, and Hawaii).  Dell, HP, and Lenovo all ship models with Ubuntu out of the box (Dell even ships them in the US).  There are manufacturers who make systems exclusively with Linux (system76, Zareason) and the only way you can get a legal copy of MS Windows for them is to go purchase an OEM disk and install it yourself (good luck, installing Windows from scratch is a pain and not for beginners).

 

Microsoft obtained their near-monopoly in the US and Western Europe through a combination of unscrupulous business practices (for which they were taken to court and found guilty, with effectively no penalty) and sheer luck (their major competition imploded through their own bad management).  They still have enertia on their side.

 

It's possible to not use Windows.  I've never used it (except briefly as a professional doing cross-platform development).  I've used Linux exclusively on my desktop, laptops, netbooks, and tablets since the late 1990s and soon I'll have a Ubuntu phone.  I haven't had any difficulty doing any of the things most people do with computers -- including software development, music recording, and all the day-to-day things required of a manager in a medium-sized business.

 

So, what it comes down to, is that there's no reason not to use Linux.  It's a choice, like driving a Toyota vs. a Ford vs. an Opel.  Some people prefer one, some prefer the other.  It's OK, it's a big world. 

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good luck, installing Windows from scratch is a pain and not for beginners

 

Yeah, choosing your language, time, and username is extremely difficult...

 

I somewhat agree with the rest of your post, that part just bugged me. I still don't use Linux regularity though, I just don't like the system. More of a personal preference really.

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[quote name='Bregma' timestamp='1357349276' post='5017606']
So, what it comes down to, is that there's no reason not to use Linux. It's a choice, like driving a Toyota vs. a Ford vs. an Opel. Some people prefer one, some prefer the other. It's OK, it's a big world.
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Actually, there is, because of (not limited to) these apps:

  • MS Office (Really, don't compare this to the buggy OpenOffice)
  • Adobe Photoshop (Again, don't compare this to Gimp)
  • Adobe Lightroom

Because I use all of these three, and there's little interest to support them in Linux, I can't use Linux, even though I want to.

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I have approximately two Windows computers, and one Linux computer.

 

I just don't get why Linux distros can't implement these features:

-window previews on your taskbar. I find those things really handy in Windows.

-Ubuntu is the most modern-looking distro. Why do other distros look like they're in the 10th century, with no transparency, no modern icons, no eyecandy!

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the only way you can get a legal copy of MS Windows for them is to go purchase an OEM disk and install it yourself (good luck, installing Windows from scratch is a pain and not for beginners).

 

Out of interest when was the last time you installed Windows?

Saying "I don't use windows" and then commenting on the install process is like me saying "I haven't used Linux since SuSE Linux back in 2001" and then claiming the installer is a text based nightmare...

 

For the record; I installed Windows 8 on my 4 year old Dell laptop just before Xmas. I plugged the USB stick in, told it to boot off it and then clicked a few buttons before waiting and a little while later I had a fully setup Windows 8 machine to use.

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