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Boston Marathon, a terror act

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ysg    192

Very sad. Seems a lot like the 1996 Olympic Park bombings at first glance.

Yes. It seems that whoever planned this, they were out to maim. Reports are coming in that doctors are pulling ball-bearings out of people in hospitals.

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Hodgman    51234

Very sad.

It will be interesting to see who was behind it and what they wanted to achieve by pipe-bombing a crowd... Terrorism by definition has to have some kind of perceived purpose -- even that nutjob in Norway thought he would effect some kind of political change with his massacre -- otherwise it's not terrorism, it's just a random act of violence (like Columbine).

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ApochPiQ    23004

Very sad.
It will be interesting to see who was behind it and what they wanted to achieve by pipe-bombing a crowd... Terrorism by definition has to have some kind of perceived purpose -- even that nutjob in Norway thought he would effect some kind of political change with his massacre -- otherwise it's not terrorism, it's just a random act of violence (like Columbine).

Please take steps to ensure that the US government adopts your definition of "terrorism." The one they're using is a little bit broken.

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Prinz Eugn    4418

Pretty sad, but I'm more worried about the countries the USofA will nuke for it.

 

Eh, I think it's more likely it's a crazed loner of either the domestic (Oklahoma City) or foreign (2010 Times Square attempt) variety.

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ChaosEngine    5185

The rate we've been going, this is just the beginning of the next generation's everyday life.

 

Not really. Despite what the media tells you, statistically, we are living in the safest time in human history.

 

In real terms, the number of casualties by terrorism is barely significant. It was estimated that more people died by driving because they were afraid to fly than actually died in the planes on 9/11.

 

I'm not trying to belittle the awfulness of what happened in Boston. I grew up in Ireland during the 80s; I know what it's like. I just want to point out that we are not living in some awful age of terrorism, we're living in an age where we are now so safe that terrorism is news. 

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swiftcoder    18432

The rate we've been going, this is just the beginning of the next generation's everyday life.

You mean it wasn't this generation's everyday life?

 

I grew up in the UK in the 90's. The prospect of an IRA bombing was omnipresent - any day you took the subway, might be the day they hit again. You just didn't think about it too much, or your life would be crippled by anxiety.

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ysg    192


The rate we've been going, this is just the beginning of the next generation's everyday life.

 
Not really. Despite what the media tells you, statistically, we are living in the safest time in human history.
 
In real terms, the number of casualties by terrorism is barely significant. It was estimated that more people died by driving because they were afraid to fly than actually died in the planes on 9/11.
 
I'm not trying to belittle the awfulness of what happened in Boston. I grew up in Ireland during the 80s; I know what it's like. I just want to point out that we are not living in some awful age of terrorism, we're living in an age where we are now so safe that terrorism is news.


Not quite. Pipe-bombs (and terrorism in general) tended to make news all the time (not always world-wide), more so than violent crime or accidents (for example, from cars). Yes, we are now safer, but the logic in your statement is a tad off.

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Ravyne    14300

Truthfully, my prediction is that they will make a big show of trying to track down a foreign angle, but ultimately blame will be levied on a home-grown, right-wing extremist, gun nut, (media reporting and official statements have already been trending this way) and that this will be used as fuel for pushing gun control legislation.

 

But maybe my tin-foil-hat is just a little too tight today. Time will tell.

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Alpha_ProgDes    6921

Supposedly the police had a Saudi national for questioning, but the police was denying it. But the news is still saying that the police had him. International politics?

I heard it was some really bad reporting. I guess we'll just have to wait and see exactly what's up.

 

Ah, I see. Damn you, Yahoo News!

 

I hope they figure out how this happen. Personally, at this moment in time, I think that's more important than why it happened.

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Cornstalks    7030

I hope they figure out how this happen. Personally, at this moment in time, I think that's more important than why it happened.

The only thing about "how" that I know is it was supposedly gunpowder and shrapnel in a pressure cooker, hidden in a backpack. I'm not sure if that was both bombs or just one of them. Linky. Here's a nice summary/list of what's known. Edited by Cornstalks

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FLeBlanc    3141

Truthfully, my prediction is that they will make a big show of trying to track down a foreign angle, but ultimately blame will be levied on a home-grown, right-wing extremist, gun nut, (media reporting and official statements have already been trending this way) and that this will be used as fuel for pushing gun control legislation.
 
But maybe my tin-foil-hat is just a little too tight today. Time will tell.

Most likely, this. Doesn't matter who really did it; what matters is who will be first to use it for political leverage to promote their agenda.

My own tin-foil hat thinking has me wondering what new monstrosity of an executive order (to follow up the Monsanto ball-sucking they already did) the White House is going to slip in under the cover of all this racket. Might want to keep our ears open the next couple of Fridays.

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Truthfully, my prediction is that they will make a big show of trying to track down a foreign angle, but ultimately blame will be levied on a home-grown, right-wing extremist, gun nut, (media reporting and official statements have already been trending this way) and that this will be used as fuel for pushing gun control legislation.

 

But maybe my tin-foil-hat is just a little too tight today. Time will tell.

 

I tend to think you're right that it'll be used to push gun control, despite no guns being used in it.

Perhaps firework bans? Already done in some states (more for preventing accidental wildfires than terrorist attacks).

Maybe fertilizer tracking? Oh waitlaugh.png

 

Maybe they'll crack down on sales of nails and ball bearings so that only registered contractors can buy them.

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ChaosEngine    5185

Truthfully, my prediction is that they will make a big show of trying to track down a foreign angle, but ultimately blame will be levied on a home-grown, right-wing extremist, gun nut, (media reporting and official statements have already been trending this way) and that this will be used as fuel for pushing gun control legislation.

 

But maybe my tin-foil-hat is just a little too tight today. Time will tell.

 

You're in terrible company.

 

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Hodgman    51234

Truthfully, my prediction is that they will make a big show of trying to track down a foreign angle, but ultimately blame will be levied on a home-grown, right-wing extremist, gun nut, (media reporting and official statements have already been trending this way) and that this will be used as fuel for pushing gun control legislation.
 
But maybe my tin-foil-hat is just a little too tight today. Time will tell.

 
You're in terrible company.

Wait, why is thinking that it'll probably end up being a domestic affair == thinking it was a false-flag attack?

No matter who's to blame, it will be used to push agendas. That's just what happens. If it's a domestic affair, it will surely be used to push more public safety laws, such as at least debating whether gunpowder should be sold alongside groceries.

Here in Australia, all the "not a pistol club gun" and "not a simple hunting rifle" type guns were banned after a mass-shooting like the Norwegian nutjob, to much protest from gun-fans claiming it was just a knee-jerk reaction (while we're at it though, the conspiracy for this one goes that the 'perpetrator' was actually a CIA patsy, and several snipers were involved... in a plot to "disarm the nation").

 

If it was a domestic attack, then the immediate worldwide reporting that a Saudi citizen had been arrested is very interesting. Psychological experiments show that even after a correction or retraction of a reported fact, the vast majority of us still beleive the original 'fact' at some unconscious level. Depending on how you're primed and questioned, you can give responses that show that you believe both the original and corrected facts somewhat simultaneously.

The point being, even if it's eventually officially blamed on a US citizen, many people will still feel a level of animosity towards Saudi Arabian men, for no rational reason.

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ChaosEngine    5185

Wait, why is thinking that it'll probably end up being a domestic affair == thinking it was a false-flag attack?

 

He didn't say it would be a domestic affair, he said "blame will be levied on a home-grown, right-wing extremist, gun nut" (emphasis mine).  Maybe I'm reading it differently to you, but that says to me that a gun nut will be blamed, regardless of the truth.

 

It was more the tin-foil hat conspiracy brigade that I was getting at rather than the conspiracy itself.

No matter who's to blame, it will be used to push agendas.

 

100% agree. but that said.... not all agendas are created equal. For example,

If it's a domestic affair, it will surely be used to push more public safety laws, such as at least debating whether gunpowder should be sold alongside groceries.

would that really be such a bad debate? (note: not that I'm accusing you, more of a general question).

 

If it was a domestic attack, then the immediate worldwide reporting that a Saudi citizen had been arrested is very interesting. Psychological experiments show that even after a correction or retraction of a reported fact, the vast majority of us still beleive the original 'fact' at some unconscious level. Depending on how you're primed and questioned, you can give responses that show that you believe both the original and corrected facts somewhat simultaneously.

 

Completely agree. Especially when it's immediately HEADLINE NEWS: SAUDI IMPLICATED IN BOMBING and then several weeks later we may have made over reported the extent of the Saudi Arabian mans involvement.

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Prinz Eugn    4418

Wait, why is thinking that it'll probably end up being a domestic affair == thinking it was a false-flag attack?

 

Because of the language used:

Truthfully, my prediction is that they will make a big show of trying to track down a foreign angle, but ultimately blame will be levied on a home-grown, right-wing extremist, gun nut, (media reporting and official statements have already been trending this way) and that this will be used as fuel for pushing gun control legislation.

Rather than something like "look at foreign leads, but probably end up finding a right-wing extremist responsible." Levying blame implies that whoever they'll find didn't actually do it. Plus latent touchiness given the situation.

 

For my money, I think it's actually some domestic terrorist (and yes, right-wing). Islamic terrorism tends to favor martyrdom, and you would think if they were part of a network someone would have claimed responsibility now.

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