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they yell at me saying its so much faster, really people believe that? even if it is faster, people explain its noticeably faster.

I just did a quick test,
[searching on google] can cats fly - IE 10: 0.20s Chrome: 0.19s

a whole .01 of a second (but bare in mind I have a few more pug ins on IE

Do they mean that it fetches search results faster?
On my PC, when I launch chrome, the window appears instantaneously (a fraction of a second). When I launch IE, it takes several seconds to appear and make itself ready, which feels like an eternity now ;P
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My hatred is a new thing, personally, and unrelated to IE6 (although I did hate it back then, that hate faded). My new hate is entirely unrational, and entirely fueled by those godawful annoying hipster-targeted ads that keep interrupting shows I watch, with volume set at about 6 notches above the volume of the show. God, I hate that crap. I hate that crap so bad.

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oh come on, that better than:

Want to download flash? you probably want google chrome too, let me download that as well

its not just flash that does it, more and more sites are doing it, its a plague affecting the internet

they yell at me saying its so much faster, really people believe that? even if it is faster, people explain its noticeably faster.

I just did a quick test,
[searching on google] can cats fly - IE 10: 0.20s Chrome: 0.19s

a whole .01 of a second (but bare in mind I have a few more pug ins on IE

Do they mean that it fetches search results faster?
On my PC, when I launch chrome, the window appears instantaneously (a fraction of a second). When I launch IE, it takes several seconds to appear and make itself ready, which feels like an eternity now ;P

yeah the search results where faster generated

surly that's because the hope page is preloaded..

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oh come on, that better than:
Want to download flash? you probably want google chrome too, let me download that as well

its not just flash that does it, more and more sites are doing it, its a plague affecting the internet

Same with those dumb "download managers" from CNET or whatever. I swear if you're not paying attention during installation you'll end up with three extra browsers and a few thousand spyware programs bundled in. I mean, who really wants (let alone use) this kind of software installation? If I want a browser, I'm going to download one at the official website, not going to hunt for a spyware-infested one. Surely this fad should have died out years ago, but no, people need more toolbars. We need to tell whoever is still downloading this crap to give it a rest and cleanse every computer they have ever touched with holy water.

Let's just say the internet is a bloated place.

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On my PC, IE launches just as quick as chrome or firefox, and i too feel that 1 second is an eternity, but i don't get that second on my IE.

Modern IE slow launches are usually not IE but plugins loaded at startup, disable em.

they yell at me saying its so much faster, really people believe that? even if it is faster, people explain its noticeably faster.

I just did a quick test,
[searching on google] can cats fly - IE 10: 0.20s Chrome: 0.19s

a whole .01 of a second (but bare in mind I have a few more pug ins on IE

Do they mean that it fetches search results faster?
On my PC, when I launch chrome, the window appears instantaneously (a fraction of a second). When I launch IE, it takes several seconds to appear and make itself ready, which feels like an eternity now ;P

Anything over IE8 is pretty solid. I honestly fix more Firefox quirks than IE these days. Feels good not to have to support IE6 and IE7!

indeed, like i said, IE10 is way better. Also for some reason i have no recollection of ever using IE9, so i can't comment on it compared to IE8.

@dsm, much of our dislike comes from the past, not so much with the current version. For a long time, IE was the crappy browser that you had no choice but to figure out how to make do the same thing other browsers could do, unless you wanted to alienate away a large portion of possible users.
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As has been said, the hate mainly stems from the IE6 era, it has gotten much better since then (though it still lags a bit behind in terms of standard support - at least it went beyond the bearable mark by now). That said, I'm not that happy about Chrome, I'm afraid it may become the new IE, I lost the count of how many times I saw "HTML5" sites that are Chrome-only in practice (luckily it's mostly demos, but still). That they're pulling off the browser-specific APIs thing and trying to push that like it was the standard doesn't make me happy either (especially a few that are equivalent to HTML5 ones, but are just there to make up for the browsers not bothering to implement them properly - audio tag, anyone?). Also more specific to webkit, but I lost the count of times that something that should work on Opera doesn't, just because the author decided to use the webkit-prefixed properties in the CSS file exclusively (what).

Then again I already stumbled upon behavior that's webkit specific (not sure if it's only in Chrome or webkit in general) and that doesn't rely on non-standard APIs or stuff like that. I once had to figure out why my game wasn't working on Chrome, despite working on IE, Firefox and Opera. Turns out that Chrome parsed script tags in a completely different way the other browsers did, which resulted in trying to use undefined objects. I could only get the code working again by using... document.write, something that's supposed to be avoided like the plague. Thanks, Chrome! (and I thought I already had enough issues with Firefox not liking my code) I'm not sure if the HTML5 standard determines a specific way to parse the script elements or not, but it goes to show how easy it's to make something that works only in whatever Chrome uses without even realizing it.

Also maybe only tangential, but there's something to be said about respecting users. I normally avoid using web apps, but for some thing I'm doing in a group I have to use Google Docs because they have some text file with the proposed tasks in there. Every time I go there I get a message about how my browser is out of date and that I should "upgrade to a modern browser, such as Google Chrome". I'm using the latest version of Opera, which is actually made by one of the main vendors working on the HTML5 standard. Thanks for essentially insulting me, Google! (yes, I know it's just checking if it's IE, Firefox, Chrome or Safari, but c'mon!)

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Just build a website that even thinks about doing anything fancy, and then discover that IE doesn't support xyz capability. They liked to have their own way to do things, and while your code would work on 3/4 browsers IE always tended to be the one that just didn't display things the right way, and i'd have to run around looking for a patch. Also lets not forget that tons of users use a variety of diffrent versions of IE, so now you have to make sure you site runs the same across each iteration. Some of this is excusable(such as using something that came out after the particular version of the browser was released.) at the end of the day, developing for IE tends to be a pain in the ass, which is why i have hated it for so long. Of couse IE10 is leagues better than it's predecessors, so i no longer have an undying bate of IE.

Anything over IE8 is pretty solid. I honestly fix more Firefox quirks than IE these days. Feels good not to have to support IE6 and IE7!

At work we support IE7-10 and while 10 is ok IE7 and 8 are both horrible and 9 is starting to show its age(it only works if you don't do anything fancy), For Chrome and Firefox we only support the latest version (since they update automatically most users will have the latest version or atleast one that isn't too far behind)

The big problem with IE really is Microsofts inability/unwillingness to release new versions for old versions of their OS. (XP users with Chrome get automatic updates to the latest version, XP users with IE have to update manually to get IE7 or 8 and can't get IE9 or 10.

Even Vista users can't get IE10 (no technical reasons for this, the update just isn't given to them, IE is basically not free/gratis since you have to pay for both the initial version and upgrades)

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IE gets no love for me basically because I consider browsers more or less like petrol. I don't care about it, unless the light turns on (and it was often on back when I used IE).

I have been a Firefox user for years, it became slower and slower... I had to move to chrome which was another world on that system. I have been told Firefox is now much better. I have been told it has HTML5 already. Fine, but nothing broken so far so I'm keeping chrome.

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