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ChaosEngine    5185


damn, lucky!  is it released earlier where you live? or you just got into an early screening?

 

Nah, just released early in NZ. Every now and then we get an early release, but sometimes we can be pretty far behind. e.g. nearly a month later for Skyfall.

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szecs    2990

So the Pacific Rim is good?

I thought it sucks that Godzillas have fist-fight (ohmy.pngohmy.pngohmy.png) with robots. Then someone told me that it's explained in the movie why they don't just nuke/laser/rocket the beasts. Like The Asylum studio won the lottery.

 

Obvilion was okay, Elysium and Gravity is waited in excitement.

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MarkS    3502

Then someone told me that it's explained in the movie why they don't just nuke/laser/rocket the beasts.


I don't remember that. In fact, I remember wondering why they don't just nuke 'em.

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slicer4ever    6760

Then someone told me that it's explained in the movie why they don't just nuke/laser/rocket the beasts.

I don't remember that. In fact, I remember wondering why they don't just nuke 'em.
Potential spoilers:
[Spoiler]
They said that it took days to actual take them down with conventional weaponry, and those were category 1's. Still the weapons the robots used seemed to be quite effective, not sure why the didn't just put dozens of them across the top of the sea wall they were building. As for nukes, they mentioned trying to nuke the rift, but i don't remember them mentioning trying to nuke the kaija specefically.
[/spoiler]

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ChaosEngine    5185


I don't remember that. In fact, I remember wondering why they don't just nuke 'em.

 

I don't remember it being explained in the movie either, but I guess it's because there's been so many of the damn things if you kept nuking them, you'd actually start getting Godzilla from the native pacific sea life!

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Prinz Eugn    4418

 


I don't remember that. In fact, I remember wondering why they don't just nuke 'em.

 

I don't remember it being explained in the movie either, but I guess it's because there's been so many of the damn things if you kept nuking them, you'd actually start getting Godzilla from the native pacific sea life!

 

 

I think the explanation for robots is Kaiju blood being toxic (Kaiju Blue) so you don't really want to spread their guts o'er the land.

 

Personally, I think a fleet of bombers with these would make more sense, but those fight scenes wouldn't be quite as exciting.Rods from God would be pretty sweet to see, though.

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sevenfold1    170

I need someone to explain the technology of the Elysium space station.   For example, in the movie, they have an open atmosphere, so ships can fly right into it.  Wouldn't the the vacuum of space would suck it right up?   Sure, Earth has an open atmosphere, but, it's held in place by the forces of gravity, gases, and a magnetic field.  How would you simulate an open atmosphere on a small scale?

 

Also, at the end of the movie:
[spoiler]
When the station reboots, everything is shut down.  So if the atmosphere was held in place by machines, wouldn't the atmosphere evaporate, killing everyone?
[/spoiler]

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szecs    2990

I need someone to explain the technology of the Elysium space station.   For example, in the movie, they have an open atmosphere, so ships can fly right into it.  Wouldn't the the vacuum of space would suck it right up?   Sure, Earth has an open atmosphere, but, it's held in place by the forces of gravity, gases, and a magnetic field.  How would you simulate an open atmosphere on a small scale?

 

Also, at the end of the movie:
[spoiler]
When the station reboots, everything is shut down.  So if the atmosphere was held in place by machines, wouldn't the atmosphere evaporate, killing everyone?
[/spoiler]

With a thin layer of ionised gas kept in place with a magnetic field, maybe. Same way portals of space stations are done in Star Wars.

I don't know why this haven't been achieved yet is real life, maybe we can't focus magnetic fields that precisely, or without EMI side effects.[media]

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKjf4yVrmJ4

 

[/media]

 

Power-out issue: maybe permanent magnets or just a safety, totally separate power line for the atmosphere.

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MarkS    3502

The ring has mirrored walls to reflect sunlight into the ring and keep the atmosphere from escaping laterally. The atmosphere is held in place by the artificial gravity produced from the rotation of the ring.

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szecs    2990

I don't think that the walls can be high enough. Gravity is the same at "ground level", but the mass of the air (because of the short walls) is missing to get the right groung level pressure.

 

Or maybe not, and the scale of the station in the film is enough to build 30 km high walls? I admit I only saw the trailers, and the station didn't seem that huge.

 

EDITED: tons of typos and stuff

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MarkS    3502

I don't think that the walls can be high enough. Gravity is that same at "ground level", but the mass of the high (30 km) is missing to get the right groung leve pressure.

 

Or maybe not, and the scale of the station is enough to build 30km high walls?

 

Very good point!

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szecs    2990

This whole gravity-from-rotation thing is not entirely clear for me. This "gravity" needs the assumption that every object is rotating with the station. But what if an object starts running in the opposite direction of the rotation direction? At a certain speed relative to the station, the object would start to float relative to the station. Running in the opposite direction would increase the "gravity".

 

What keeps the air rotating with the station? Sole friction between the air and the station? Maybe the station needs to be rotated and the air pumped in for several years untill they start to rotate synchronized and after that there is no problem any more?

 

EDIT: physics: failure. Once objetcs are rotating together, no force arises from the rotation that wants to change that (no tangential component). So I pretty much answered my own question.

 

 

Sorry for derailing.

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sevenfold1    170

An open atmosphere station is a bit of interesting tech that will never be built to its massive size and costs, I suppose.

 

Another thing from the Elysium movie that bugged me was the shoulder mounted rocket launcher (RPG?) that was able to shoot down a spaceship in lower Earth orbit.  That sounds very implausible to me, even in the realm of Sci-Fi.

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deltaKshatriya    2210

An open atmosphere station is a bit of interesting tech that will never be built to its massive size and costs, I suppose.

 

Another thing from the Elysium movie that bugged me was the shoulder mounted rocket launcher (RPG?) that was able to shoot down a spaceship in lower Earth orbit.  That sounds very implausible to me, even in the realm of Sci-Fi.

 

It could be done. The missile was not very small, and if enough thrust provided, it can be done.

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deltaKshatriya    2210

It wasn't believable to me because they didn't add any special effects to it.  Maybe if they made it into a mini two-stage rocket, that would have been better.

 

I see your point there. But rockets are getting smaller, with more thrust, so it's not entirely impossible. The thing that I found strange was that they'd use surface to space missiles altogether. You'd think the station would have its own defense system. Besides, it's cheaper, and simpler to have that kind of a defense system.

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sevenfold1    170

That's what I thought too initially, but I think they tried to explain it away by saying the station was somehow prohibited from attacking oncoming ships, so it wouldn't have any defense capabilities.  The movie had little plot points like this that affected how the rest of the movie would turn out.  Kind of weak.

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way2lazy2care    790

That's what I thought too initially, but I think they tried to explain it away by saying the station was somehow prohibited from attacking oncoming ships, so it wouldn't have any defense capabilities.  The movie had little plot points like this that affected how the rest of the movie would turn out.  Kind of weak.


I think it kind of mirrors the US policy with illegal immigration right now. You're supposed to capture and deport illegal immigrants, but that lady was overstepping her bounds by killing them type situation.

Though with that in mind I'm surprised they didn't have any sort of ship to intercept. It's not a very exact mirror because it's much more obvious when a spacecraft is approaching a space station than someone trying to sneak across a border.

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ChaosEngine    5185

Another thing from the Elysium movie that bugged me was the shoulder mounted rocket launcher (RPG?) that was able to shoot down a spaceship in lower Earth orbit.  That sounds very implausible to me, even in the realm of Sci-Fi.

 
That was no less implausible than the vtol shuttles that could make orbit and far less implausible than the magic healing beds that could fix everything from cancer to [spoiler]rebuilding a guys face[/spoiler].

 

That said, suspension of disbelief and so on. If you replaced "space station" with "island" or "walled city", I thought the movie was probably going to be scarily accurate in it's depiction of how the world will look in 150 years

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Oberon_Command    6075

On the subject of using an RPG to take out a spacecraft in LEO: remember that while the RPG projectile isn't moving all that quick relative to the launcher, everything in low-Earth orbit is moving at over 7km PER SECOND. If you hit something at a good angle, a marble can do massive amounts of damage.

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deltaKshatriya    2210

It just seems practical to at least have some defense system on a space station orbiting Earth. I mean if an RPG style thing could take out a space shuttle, it's not too hard to take out a space station....

 

I do agree though that I don't think the movie is meant to be taken literally, but it's still fun to look at it that way.

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ChaosEngine    5185

Has anyone seen kick-ass 2?, i was thinking of catching it at some point next week, it looks pretty decent, and i loved the first one. Just wanna hear if the second one is as good.

Haven't seen it myself, but apparently if you liked the first one, you'll like this one. I'm definitely looking forward to it.

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