# Linux Mint, anyone?

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Hi all,

I just had a play with Linux Mint today, and I fell in love with it! It feels like what Ubuntu used to be.

I just wonder if anyone has played with it, and what they like/dislike about it? Also, game development looks to be fairly easy on it as well (at least as easy as on Ubuntu), especially since Unity3D has the option to export to Linux (as well as GameMaker, though it's specifically for Ubuntu). I can't wait to dabble with it this week!

I used to run Ubuntu pretty frequently, but really started to hate the Unity interface after a while. I'm glad I found Linux Mint! Anybody else here use it, or another version of Linux they like?

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My headless laptop runs Linux Mint and I like it. I also like Zorin- it's pretty licky chewy. I think its window manager is a modified gnome one.

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Same here. After a long journey through desktop managers (Unity, KDE 4.8, Gnome 3 -nononononoNO-, XFCE) when I saw Mint and cinnamon I felt like "home sweet home"

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I've seen Mint through I haven't tested it on my own computer.

What I did test is a bunch of desktop environments with Debian. Used LXDE for months, then tested briefly Xfce, then Gnome 3 in fallback mode (normal Gnome 3 is a no go on my netbook) and right now, Enlightenment.

Surprisingly enough, while Enlightenment is the "prettiest" environment I had (everything is animated, anti aliased, with shadows and so on), it's also the fastest that I've tried. Its development was halted for years, and was recently picked up again, so it has some rough corners (better than LXDE though).

But it is very, very configurable, easy on the eyes and works pretty fast (which is a miracle considering that I'm running a single core Atom N450 and an ION 2). I do have some issues with the application menus. Things like Synaptic fail to load since there is something wrong with the launcher that grants root privileges, so I have to launch it myself from a root terminal.

I'm hoping that ppl will pick up on it since that probably means more up to date .deb packages :D

I've come to hate things that run on GTK nowadays, Synaptic? If I gave a floppy to a turtle and asked it to bring me a .deb file it would be faster. Gnome? The same. And so on...

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I'm using it as well as a main workstation since last december. Cinnamon is a bit irritating because it seems to lack many basic features (especially relating to dual monitor management) but it has been quite enjoyable so far (and it runs perfectly). I think I'll stick with it for a while, but for my next distro I think I'll go for a different desktop environment.

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I tried it a week or so ago, too. At first look, it was stunning: Insert disk, and it works, and works well.

Exactly like Ubuntu used to be before "Unity".

Cinnamon looks and feels very nice, fast, responsive, well-designed and modern, but not modern in a way that hurts. This is somewhat like a mixture between Gnome2, LXDE, and old KDE, with desktop effects if you want them. Pretty well-made.

However, I quickly found disappointing that to all appearances the network sources aren't in sync with what the installer thinks, or... whatever?

In any case, Synaptic (or apt-get) doesn't work for me. Though admittedly, I saw the same thing with Debian testing at the same time (stable works fine, but I'd like to install redis-server, and guess what, stable doesn't have it...). Maybe they use the same repos (or the repos are partially copies of each other, who knows).

I'll have a look again in 2-3 weeks, hopefully that's just an intermediary thing, maybe someone only forgot to update a version number or such.

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My headless laptop runs Linux Mint and I like it. I also like Zorin- it's pretty licky chewy. I think its window manager is a modified gnome one.

Heh, Mint is Ubuntu with a different shell. If you're running it headless (ie. no shell), you're just running Ubuntu.

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This thread did get posted after all! It said the server failed while I was writing it last night, and I couldn't get back on the site. Weird!

Synaptic (or apt-get) doesn't work for me.

Hmm, I'll have to look into the problems with apt-get before I go ahead and install it on a separate partition. Like you said, someone may have just forgotten to update something, and perhaps they'll fix it soon enough!

Cinnamon is a bit irritating because it seems to lack many basic features (especially relating to dual monitor management) but it has been quite enjoyable so far (and it runs perfectly).

I'll have to look into that as well. I do remember having some difficulty setting up dual monitors with Ubuntu. I could never quite get the other one to run at the resolution I wanted because it kept thinking it was at its native resolution. I'm not running dual monitors, so it's not a terribly big concern at the moment.

What surprised me the most about Mint is how much faster than Ubuntu it was, and I was even running it off of a live CD! It seemed more fluid. Also, even though it's just aesthetics, the wallpapers are amazing!

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I'll have to look into that as well. I do remember having some difficulty setting up dual monitors with Ubuntu. I could never quite get the other one to run at the resolution I wanted because it kept thinking it was at its native resolution. I'm not running dual monitors, so it's not a terribly big concern at the moment.

Well the problem for me is that Cinnamon has no virtualization feature and always runs in "external head" mode, which is what you want when doing powerpoint presentations but not what you want when using both screens as a single large monitor. Having the taskbar stretch out onto both screens is what I am missing. I know, sounds rather trivial, but it's just annoying to have the taskbar only on the first monitor. That said the nice side-effect is that fullscreen stuff only occupies one screen out of the two instead of cutting at the bezel, which is often better. So it's just a quality of life issue, I can live with it.

I tried to use the AMD drivers for Eyefinity like on my Windows system but they broke everything, so I gave up. The open source Radeon drivers, even though they lack full hardware acceleration, are wonderfully stable and that's all I ask for.

What surprised me the most about Mint is how much faster than Ubuntu it was, and I was even running it off of a live CD! It seemed more fluid. Also, even though it's just aesthetics, the wallpapers are amazing!

Me too. First time I booted it from my crappy flash stick it was really fast, and the installation was nice too. I especially did not miss not having Ubuntu's ridiculous "installing those 500MB language packs that you will never use but for some reason I need to download them anyway, you know, just in case you happen to speak all 177 languages, never mind that I actually asked what language you wanted five minutes ago". Now on my SSD it's beautiful. It takes about ~1 second for the desktop to appear and the system is ready for use

Edited by Bacterius

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My headless laptop runs Linux Mint and I like it. I also like Zorin- it's pretty licky chewy. I think its window manager is a modified gnome one.

Heh, Mint is Ubuntu with a different shell. If you're running it headless (ie. no shell), you're just running Ubuntu.

I was speaking hardwarewise- see here: http://www.gamedev.net/topic/643909-gah-my-laptop-screen-is-cracked/

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Personnally, I've never really liked Mint. It just felt -like- Ubuntu, but not quite... like something was off and wrong. It also didnt help Mint's degree of polish is lacking (not saying Ubuntu's is perfect)... I personally use Xubuntu (XFCE Ubuntu build), which like Lubuntu (LXDE Ubuntu build), dumps Unity for a much much more performant Desktop Environment. XFCE is an extremely fast Dekstop Environment, and i've continually been happy with its performance. If you're looking for a gnome-2 like desktop, its hard to get anything faster (well, perhaps LXDE and or OpenBox ;) )(benchmarks over at Phoronix). However, it will beat OpenBox and LXDE for looks ;)

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Mint is my go-to distro for when I need Linux. They've managed to avoid doing anything stupid to the interface (*ahem*) and things generally seem well supported.

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>What surprised me the most about Mint is how much faster than Ubuntu it was, and I was even running it off of a live CD! It seemed more fluid. Also, even though it's just aesthetics, the wallpapers are amazing!

Me too. First time I booted it from my crappy flash stick it was really fast, and the installation was nice too. I especially did not miss not having Ubuntu's ridiculous "installing those 500MB language packs that you will never use but for some reason I need to download them anyway, you know, just in case you happen to speak all 177 languages, never mind that I actually asked what language you wanted five minutes ago". Now on my SSD it's beautiful. It takes about ~1 second for the desktop to appear and the system is ready for use

Haha, yeah, I hated having all language packages installed. Good grief!

And holy crap on that boot time! I might have to install an SSD in my tower for Mint... that'd be so awesome to have a section of my computer, ready in less than 5 seconds! Edited by YodamanJer

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We tried it out at work for a while, but every revision seemed to muck with the boot process, and the overall stability was abysmal.

Admittedly, that was a couple of years back, so the situation may have improved since then.

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We tried it out at work for a while, but every revision seemed to muck with the boot process, and the overall stability was abysmal.

Admittedly, that was a couple of years back, so the situation may have improved since then.

I've been running it at work for a bit over a year now, everything just works and it starts a heck of a lot faster than Windows7 (allthough i only reboot to switch OS when i have to test in a proper windows install (rather than a VM) so it might just be that my win install gets rusty from the neglect)

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Hmm, well, I seem to be having some issues getting to recognize my sound... that's not good. :P

I'll tinker with it some more. You've always got to tinker with Linux, no matter what distro you use!

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That's for sure. You prolly need a closed source driver for it.

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You prolly need a closed source driver for it.

Or a sacrifice.

Goats may work, if you don't have a handy supply of virgins.

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Do the goats have to be virgins?

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Actually I got it to work. It was trying to go through my headphones (which were plugged directly into my PC and not through my speakers), so I just had to unplug them. Simple, silly mistake. :P

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Doesn't run well at all within parallels. Probably driver related.

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Do the goats have to be virgins?

Actually I got it to work. It was trying to go through my headphones (which were plugged directly into my PC and not through my speakers), so I just had to unplug them. Simple, silly mistake.

Virgin goats and easy to setup Linux (that breaks due to user error and software error). I'm intrigued!

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Mint was ridiculously easy to setup. I've already got a decent amount of software installed, too, including MonoDevelop (but I can't get MonoGame to work quite right, looks like they need to update it) and jMonkeyEngine 3 (again, not working correctly, and I have no idea why because everything is installed!), and it's just more FUN to use than Windows ever was for me.

I also installed Docky, which is a great little app, but it seems to crash every so often so I'm going to find something else. Either way, I'm super happy with Mint. It's definitely becoming my main OS, with Windows being where I do all of my game development (and playing) in, while Mint will be my general use/tinkering OS. Super, super happy with. :)

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Did you get a haircut? You look different.

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Ah, yes I did, but then I accidentally became a sir. Linux does that to all males, we all know that's a fact.

I also got Steam to install seamlessly, and was able to download and play Rochard, which is quickly becoming my new favorite platformer!

Proof!

Works without any problems whatsoever.

EDIT: Haha, got MonoGame to work! I ran

 sudo apt-get install monodevelop-monogame
and it worked better than the tutorials for setting up MonoGame on its own site! Yay for Google searches yielding better results!

Now I can essentially make XNA games on Linux. This excites me so much, I'm about to have a celebratory hard cider! Edited by YodamanJer