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I think you are seeing 'pro MS' statements where none exist; people tend to be pro-getting-shit-done which, more often than not, closed source apps do just fine. I know how Windows works, I install things and they 'just work' so I have no need nor desire to step outside of that world because I can get-shit-done.

 

Just a question here. Isn't it boring to be so faithful, never treading outside the "given path"? I mean, as a developer, I'm naturally curious and like exploring new things. Sure, it's necessary to Get Things Done, but isn't it also great to learn new ways of Getting It Done? At least it's tons of fun!

 

I honestly can't tell if you're serious or not because why would anyone say anything like that?

 

I'm the definition of curious. That doesn't mean I should use a bicycle instead of my car, to go to work which is 60 miles away, to avoid being "faithful" (faithful to whom? myself?!).

I don't place any value in what BRAND of the O/S I'm using. I use what works best. I also use Android and love it. Everything doesn't have to be so black and white.

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I think you are seeing 'pro MS' statements where none exist; people tend to be pro-getting-shit-done which, more often than not, closed source apps do just fine. I know how Windows works, I install things and they 'just work' so I have no need nor desire to step outside of that world because I can get-shit-done.

 

Just a question here. Isn't it boring to be so faithful, never treading outside the "given path"? I mean, as a developer, I'm naturally curious and like exploring new things. Sure, it's necessary to Get Things Done, but isn't it also great to learn new ways of Getting It Done? At least it's tons of fun!

 

I honestly can't tell if you're serious or not because why would anyone say anything like that?

 

I'm the definition of curious. That doesn't mean I should use a bicycle instead of my car, to go to work which is 60 miles away, to avoid being "faithful" (faithful to whom? myself?!).

I don't place any value in what BRAND of the O/S I'm using. I use what works best. I also use Android and love it. Everything doesn't have to be so black and white.

 

At least you stooped to the level you perceived my post to be in. In hindsight I could've probably worded it better.

 

I can't see that your analogy holds. Biking 60 miles two times a day is unreasonable while using different technologies for implementing the same thing are not. If the distance was 6 miles, on the other hand, I'd say it might be a good idea to try. Unless you're obese. Which might make it a good idea anyway.

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(you cant just let your mom or sister learn Bash just to install a text editor in Linux right?)

Why not? Are mothers and sisters incompetent or not capable because they are women? Everyone CAN use all that stuff, it is only a matter of time investment. Also, there are MANY sisters and mothers out there who use this stuff much better than you, and many fathers and brothers who are absolutely clueless at it.

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(you cant just let your mom or sister learn Bash just to install a text editor in Linux right?)

Why not? Are mothers and sisters incompetent or not capable because they are women? Everyone CAN use all that stuff, it is only a matter of time investment. Also, there are MANY sisters and mothers out there who use this stuff much better than you, and many fathers and brothers who are absolutely clueless at it.

Clearly he meant because your sister owns a small company and your mom is a CFO so they don't have time to learn bash. Stop being sexist tongue.png
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I think you are seeing 'pro MS' statements where none exist; people tend to be pro-getting-shit-done which, more often than not, closed source apps do just fine. I know how Windows works, I install things and they 'just work' so I have no need nor desire to step outside of that world because I can get-shit-done.

 

Just a question here. Isn't it boring to be so faithful, never treading outside the "given path"? I mean, as a developer, I'm naturally curious and like exploring new things. Sure, it's necessary to Get Things Done, but isn't it also great to learn new ways of Getting It Done? At least it's tons of fun!

 

I honestly can't tell if you're serious or not because why would anyone say anything like that?

 

I'm the definition of curious. That doesn't mean I should use a bicycle instead of my car, to go to work which is 60 miles away, to avoid being "faithful" (faithful to whom? myself?!).

I don't place any value in what BRAND of the O/S I'm using. I use what works best. I also use Android and love it. Everything doesn't have to be so black and white.

 

At least you stooped to the level you perceived my post to be in. In hindsight I could've probably worded it better.

 

I can't see that your analogy holds. Biking 60 miles two times a day is unreasonable while using different technologies for implementing the same thing are not. If the distance was 6 miles, on the other hand, I'd say it might be a good idea to try. Unless you're obese. Which might make it a good idea anyway.

 

That's the point. Biking 60 miles two times a day is unreasonable, just as using Linux is unreasonable for me because it means I will be less productive just for the sake of being "curious" and less "faithful". rolleyes.gif

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(you cant just let your mom or sister learn Bash just to install a text editor in Linux right?)

Why not? Are mothers and sisters incompetent or not capable because they are women? Everyone CAN use all that stuff, it is only a matter of time investment. Also, there are MANY sisters and mothers out there who use this stuff much better than you, and many fathers and brothers who are absolutely clueless at it.

 

 

His point is not that they can't, but that they (computer-illiterate people in general, regardless of gender) shouldn't have to.

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Pretty much. The terminal should be left for advanced stuff only extreme power users should bother touching, not for normal tasks like installing a program (and for the record, most distros come with a proper GUI for the package manager which in fact makes it easier to install stuff than on Windows since you can just go there, look what you need and install it).

 

And that was probably a bad example since most distros come with a text editor too =P But point still stands with other programs.

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Ok....say what you want about microsoft,but they still dominate in the gaming world(it says gamedev.net right?).It has rivals like Sony on the console market,but microsoft has the PCs and the Xbox when it comes to gaming.

 

Even right now,they're still adding to the dx technology(Applause for that). Not to mention that the number of gamers is growing.

 

So,for me,untill someone actually comes up with a better os for games,I'll keep my windows.

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So,for me,untill someone actually comes up with a better os for games,I'll keep my windows.

Have you ever used Ubuntu or pretty much any newer Linux distro?

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Huh, driver support is still a major pain in the ass... Fair enough, that boils down mostly to hardware vendors not caring about it at all, but that doesn't change the fact (there are other issues, but the driver one is the biggest). Also X11 being limited in rather stupid ways (e.g. fullscreen is not supported so it's done in an extremely hackish way that always has some issues, and multimonitor support also tends to break quite easily).

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I think this "my os is better", "no mine" is pointless. Noone will switch cause of that, people just see the app/game they want to use was made for one of the os and then use that even if its worse.

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Huh, driver support is still a major pain in the ass... Fair enough, that boils down mostly to hardware vendors not caring about it at all, but that doesn't change the fact (there are other issues, but the driver one is the biggest). Also X11 being limited in rather stupid ways (e.g. fullscreen is not supported so it's done in an extremely hackish way that always has some issues, and multimonitor support also tends to break quite easily).

 

I've had more issues with multiple monitors in Win7 than in Mint14

(i'm sticking to the opensource drivers on my work machine though since i have to boot into windows to use Unity anyway, nvidias proprietary drivers have caused all kinds of havoc in the past so i don't really want to bother with them on a non-gaming PC), X11 being an outdated pile of steaming dogpoop is pretty much on target though. (Hopefully Wayland or Mir will replace it on the desktop atleast in the not so distant future)

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Have you ever used Ubuntu or pretty much any newer Linux distro?

 

yes and crash, crash and crash. I will stick to windows wink.png

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